Assange to go!

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Allegedly.

There are some very strange things about the case in that if Miss A had been raped then why would she the next day be still working as Assanges press secretary? Also the Miss W person who complained, Miss A knew her, even had invited her to a conference which Assanges was speaking at. Miss W was allegedly assaulted a few days after the Miss A incident, yet why didn't Miss A say anything to Miss W, when she knew she and Assange would be sleeping together?

It seems to be an unusual situation from the very few facts we know of the case. What is clear though is Assange was never charged, and he has many powerful enemies.



Allegedly.

You should read a book like Rowan Farrow's Catch and Kill. It will give you some insight in to how women feel when these things happen. Especially by men who can effect their work and careers. Many women after being raped continue to work around or for the same man and even have sex with them again. Still doesn't mean they weren't raped. I think a lot of people make the mistake of trying to put themselves in that situation when if you are a man that is impossible.
 
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Allegedly.

There are some very strange things about the case in that if Miss A had been raped then why would she the next day be still working as Assanges press secretary? Also the Miss W person who complained, Miss A knew her, even had invited her to a conference which Assanges was speaking at. Miss W was allegedly assaulted a few days after the Miss A incident, yet why didn't Miss A say anything to Miss W, when she knew she and Assange would be sleeping together?

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What is clear though is Assange was never charged

Allegations were made, and on the basis of these allegations an arrest warrant was issued for him, along with an extradition order. That's why he hid in the Ecuadorian embassy, remember?

The Swedish criminal prosecution process only issues formal charges after a suspect has been questioned, which they were unable to do. That's the only reason why he wasn't formally indicted. It's not because he was innocent.

and he has many powerful enemies.

Irrelevant.
 
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Irrelevant.

I can agree with most of your most (I'm not an Assange fan). But saying its irrelevant that he is a person who as annoyed many establishments isn't with the reality. It's not like we haven't seen honeytraps set up for powerful people. All the top countries have women like that.

I'm not saying this is what happened. I'm saying that its something that as to be factored in when researching this case.

You should read a book like Rowan Farrow's Catch and Kill. It will give you some insight in to how women feel when these things happen. Especially by men who can effect their work and careers. Many women after being raped continue to work around or for the same man and even have sex with them again. Still doesn't mean they weren't raped. I think a lot of people make the mistake of trying to put themselves in that situation when if you are a man that is impossible.

I will give the book a read. I know women react in certain ways when they have been through trauma. But it just seems strange that she didn't warn the other woman (Miss W) that she had invited to the conference, that she knew was going to possibly sleep with Assange a few days later, that she had the womans details as they had been in previous contact, yet didn't warn her about him, or a general warning if she didnt want to go in to her own personal experience.

Actually it's been classed as rape in this country for quite a long time now.

Post me a case where someone as been charged with rape for taking a condom off midway through sex? Not a case were other crimes have happened as well.

I'm not a fan of Assange. I'm just throwing up questions about the case. If he did it then lock him up for a long time. I have no problem with that.
 
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Allegations were made, and on the basis of these allegations an arrest warrant was issued for him, along with an extradition order. That's why he hid in the Ecuadorian embassy, remember?
How do you know that?

The two women only wanted Assange to get an STD test, it was the swedish prosecutor, being pushed by the USA, who then threw the book at him.

Irrelevant.

It is not irrelevant, it is exactly what this is all about. The guy, Assange, was uploading very sensitive inter embassy communiques that showed the USA to be lying deceitful warmongers - Or as Hillary would say 'You need to have a public position and a non-public position on policy'.. https://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clinton-public-and-private-positions-2016-10?r=US&IR=T

They, the USA, wanted him silenced and that's what they got. Assange being in the embassy suited the USA fine as he was able to be controlled there, yes it was an embarrassment to the UK/US but less so that if he had kept publishing.

Yes women act differently to men, of course they do.. But some women also falsely accuse men of rape, some women, like Hillary, are compulsive liers and psychopaths/sociopaths.. We don't know what 'type' of women these are, I think they are being used by TPTB, so it's all speculation.
 
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How do you know that?

Because those are the facts, and the're well documented.

It is not irrelevant, it is exactly what this is all about.

Assange was not silenced while he was in the embassy, he continued to communicate freely for years, and even made public appearances on the balcony, where he addressed his adoring supporters.

I think you need to read more BBC News and less Infowars.
 
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Because those are the facts, and the're well documented.



Assange was not silenced while he was in the embassy, he continued to communicate freely for years, and even made public appearances on the balcony, where he addressed his adoring supporters.
He was OK whilst he had approval from the government, but once that changed he had his internet turned off, which was heavily surveilled by GCHQ/NSA, and all visitors were searched(and even then sometimes refused permission).

I think you need to read more BBC News and less Infowars.

I think you need to read less BBC, The Guardian and DailyMail.. Honestly, read around a bit because you are not getting the whole story. If there is a point that you can't answer you just say 'Irrelevant', I've seen you do this in multiple threads. At some point you come to realise that the west is not the bastion of civilisation you were brought up to think, all wars since at least the second world war that the US and UK have been involved with have been manufactured and are economic in nature - IE they want resources, land/oil/labour/gold/diamonds/drugs/whatever! It's not the normal people that are the issue it's the ruling classes, they have become dynasties(eg kennedies/bushes), that's to say nothing of the small layer of people that operate above even those.
 
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He was OK whilst he had approval from the government, but once that changed he had his internet turned off

His internet was turned off by the Ecuadorians less than a year before his arrest. This did not stop him communicating with the outside world.

which was heavily surveilled by GCHQ/NSA

Evidence please.

and all visitors were searched(and even then sometimes refused permission).

So what?

I think you need to read less BBC, The Guardian and DailyMail..

I don't read the Guardian or the Daily Mail, and I have no time for ludicrous conspiracy theories.
 
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I don't read the Guardian or the Daily Mail, and I have no time for ludicrous conspiracy theories.

You spout enough rubbish that come from those sites that I thought you did - sorry.. Most of the stuff in the news these days is bullcrap, anything you do hear has been spun enough so you actually have to filter most of it out. If you are not paid by GCHQ then you should be, you spew out stardard, read official, talking point with most of what you type - hardly anything you type is interesting or shows any original thought.

Evidence please.


GCHQ/NSA surveil EVERYONE because they can, they operate a dragnet where they hover everything up and throw what they don't want/need after. How about you go out and search for it yourself, you never know you 'may' learn something. If I put in some website or another you'll say, 'that a crappy site, not reading it'. Answer this.. Do you think that the USA/UK would be interested in putting in extra measures for what Assange is uploading/downloading from the net given that he runs wikileaks? It's naive, boardering stupid, to think they don't. Again, they surveil EVERYONE as a matter of course!


You said he could communicate freely, he couldn't if people were actively turned away(and you didn't contest this point). Also he was surveiled in the embassy, that has been confirmed soo much even you must have seen that!

I have no time for ludicrous conspiracy theories.
Yet you read the BBC? You do know that the BBC is the propaganda arm of the UK government now right? What independence they used to have has now long gone. Any good stories are quashed in the courts before any of us plebs hear it.
 

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"Lee Hogben, a 35-year-old man from Bournemouth, was sentenced to 12 years in prison after raping a woman in a hotel when he chose to remove the condom being used during sex."
Technically you are right, however this guy continued to rape the escort after she protested. Reading more, the guy is a legit nutcase and should be sectioned after release, imho.
 
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Post me a case where someone as been charged with rape for taking a condom off midway through sex? Not a case were other crimes have happened as well.

The legal precedent is R (on the application of F) v DPP [2013] EWHC 945 (Admin).

The case was centred on withdraw rather than removing of a condom, but would be applicable to the latter situation.

(2) There was evidence that H had deliberately ignored the basis of F's consent to penetration as a manifestation of his control over her. As to whether F had consented to the penetration, she had consented provided that she had agreed by choice when she had had the freedom and capacity to make the choice. The evidence relating to 'choice' and 'freedom' to make any particular choice had to be approached in a broad common sense way. If, before penetration had begun, the intervener had made up his mind that he would penetrate and ejaculate within F's vagina, or even if because penetration was a continuing act from entry to withdrawal, he had decided that he would not withdraw at all because he deemed F subservient to his control, F had been deprived of choice relating to the crucial feature on which her original consent to sexual intercourse had been based.

Accordingly, her consent had been negated. Contrary to F's wishes, and knowing that she would not have consented and had not consented to penetration or the continuation of penetration if she had any inkling of his intention, he had deliberately ejaculated within her vagina. In law, that combination of circumstances fell within the statutory definition of rape.
 
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Why do you find that odd? People are hardly geared to details whilst pumping full of hormones.

It would be like saying if a woman turned around, took her bra off, then turned back to you - that you wouldnt look at her breasts?

In this case they had unprotected sex before and now she was insisting on a condom. If I was in her situation I'd have at least looked down.
 
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It would be like saying if a woman turned around, took her bra off, then turned back to you - that you wouldnt look at her breasts?

In this case they had unprotected sex before and now she was insisting on a condom. If I was in her situation I'd have at least looked down.

What are you trying to achieve by your comment? The undertone is that she should've acted differently?
 
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What are you trying to achieve by your comment? The undertone is that she should've acted differently?

I'm commenting on the case. I'm saying in my experience it seems unlikely that the events described happened.

The events in the paper are being put forward by her and her legal team. He hasn't had a chance to put his side forward yet.

Neither of us have the full story, only her side.

I don't see it as having an "undertone" when I'm just commenting on the story so far.

I've just looked for an update and found this;

Tears of relief for spinal surgeon after being cleared of rape due to accuser's 'embellishments'
https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/tears-relief-spinal-surgeon-after-17597652

Judge Ashurst told the court that "embellishments" in the accuser's evidence was a major factor for scrapping the proceedings.

He said that he was "satisfied that there is no evidence to prove essential elements" of the two counts due to "sheer improbability".

Judge Ashurst added that no "sensible person could surely convict" on the evidence provided.

During the trial, the court heard that the woman later admitted to police that she had "embellished" part of her initial account.

It sounds like it shouldn't have been taken the court.

The reason I posted this case is because it was a close example of a removed condom legal situation.
 
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Julian Assange’s detention “sets a dangerous precedent for journalists”, according to politicians from the Council of Europe’s parliamentary arm, who voted on Tuesday to oppose the WikiLeaks founder’s extradition to the US.

The words of support for Assange and implicit criticism of the UK government will be contained in a final report produced by the Labour peer Lord Foulkes for the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe, which focuses on upholding human rights across the continent. (LINK)
I gather that the UN special rapporteur on torture called last year for Assange’s release and for extradition to the United States to be blocked.

Lord Foulkes is alleged to be in favour of Assange being sent back to Sweden to answer allegations of sexual assault but that there would be deep concerns if Assange were to be sent to the US.

Now that we have turned our back on the EU and are desperate not to upset the Americans I wonder how this will be handled ;)
 
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Lord Foulkes is alleged to be in favour of Assange being sent back to Sweden to answer allegations of sexual assault but that there would be deep concerns if Assange were to be sent to the US.

Haven't Sweden now dropped the extradition attempt because the years intervening would make trial and conviction difficult.

I'm not a great fan of the US getting him, but I expect the extradition process to drag on for years before we see whether there will even be a trial in the US. It's amazing how his refusal to face a fair trial in Sweden has backfired on him.
 
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