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Dare I ask you for your opinion of a 120D fox? I was looking at an A3 tdi quattro myself :(

[TW]Fox;22256909 said:
Not going off on one about the 1 series in the Audi thread, sorry :p
Don't mind if I do ;)

Drove a 120d Coupe on Friday.
Solid and refined, but left feeling underwhelmed. I suspect I've been out of the diesel fold for too long. Needs more power.
 
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[TW]Fox;22256406 said:
I've driven an A3 3.2 V6 and an A5 3.0 TDI Quattro. True, the S3 isn't an A3, so you'll need to bear that in mind.

The A5 is a more modern car inside than the A3 - as you'd expect given it came out some 5 years after the A3 first appeared. It therefore has a more modern and better specified infotainment system than the A3. It's also got a more 'contemporary' looking interior.

The A5 is bigger and heavier than the A3 and the 2.0TFSI in the A5 is only available with about 210bhp max - not the 270bhp of the A3. To get a more powerful petrol A5 means finding a V6 - I have never seen one, not sure anyone bought it - or going for the S5. The S5 is a V8 only until very recently and the V6 petrol Audi's are notorious for a thirst that doesn't really match the performance they offer.

So, the 2.0TFSI is probably the petrol engine to go for in both A5 and A3 - and it'll be swifter in the S3 than the A5.

Sadly both cars were pretty underwhelming for me. I have this sort of love/hate thing going on with Audi. I really like the exterior styling - at times. The A5 is a bit superbland but generally speaking Audi get styling right more often than BMW do. They tend to look more 'premium' outside than the equivilent BMW. This is perhaps more of a criticism of how un-premium the previous 3 Series looked I guess, but there we go.

But then you get inside - where everyone bangs on about how amazing Audi quality is - and you find rattly creaky armrests and suspiciously cheap and tatty plastics. Perhaps I set my standards for them too high and am then dissapointed but my standards are set based on the reputation Audi seems to have in this area. The A6 is another story but certainly the cheaper Audi's do not quite feel as 'really nicely made' as perhaps people will have you beleive.

We'll move onto the drive.

A3 - the biggest problem here was that it felt nose heavy but this is a specific problem with the V6. The S3 is mechanically very similar (Quattro aside) from the Golf GTI which didnt have the same problem so I'd not expec it from an S3 either. The steering lacked any real feel, but it was otherwise ok.

A5. Just dull really. It was a diesel - but it was the 3.0 TDI which is supposed to do 0-60 in 5.9 seconds. Perhaps they are 5.9 moon-seconds or something, I dunno. Again, same lack of any real feeling from the steering.

All this leads me to think that really Audi is best suited to people who simply want 'Some nice posh car'. An Audi will look good on your drive, will be reasonably well made and gets you from A to B as quickly as you want given your budget. Thats it. No more garnish, or sauce - thats what it does. If a Ford Mondeo or a Mazda6 is the automotive equivilent of a fridge then an Audi is a really posh stainless steel fridge.

Before I get jumped on for trolling the Audi thread - which genuinelly isnt my intention - there is not neccesarily anything wrong with being an automotive stainless steel fridge. Infact just LOOk at Audi sales. Its what people want. Most people don't care about balance, steering feedback, blah blah blah. They just want a car thats nice to sit in and looks good. This is why you see so many A3 2.0 TDI S-Lines even though the design has been around since the old king died.

If thats you - go for it. And you'll probably love it.

I have never driven any of the really highly rated Audi's such as the RS4 and I very much doubt the above applies to those. Its just my thoughts on the normal Audi's I've driven.

Audi's are nice cars. I think that sums it up really.

Tbh Fox I think you are bang on with this...and infact not slating the Audi's at all.

The A4 is not an exciting driving machine however gets me A - B in comfort, it is very well screwed together (even the arm rest!) and it looks great on the road and on my drive!

But coming from a White fridge I am very happy with my posh Stainless Steel fridge!
 
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You've all seen my A6 S-line

Always been a fan of the A6, and you can get so much car for the money now. Seems everyone wants an A3/4 TDI!!

Audi A6 2.0T FSI S Line 5dr Avant

What are the running costs like? I'm always tempted by large luxury barges!! I love room and gadgets. Just need to convince myself it's a wise move from a Focus ST 2 years newer with known history etc...
 
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[TW]Fox;22256406 said:
I've driven an A3 3.2 V6 and an A5 3.0 TDI Quattro. True, the S3 isn't an A3, so you'll need to bear that in mind.

The A5 is a more modern car inside than the A3 - as you'd expect given it came out some 5 years after the A3 first appeared. It therefore has a more modern and better specified infotainment system than the A3. It's also got a more 'contemporary' looking interior.

The A5 is bigger and heavier than the A3 and the 2.0TFSI in the A5 is only available with about 210bhp max - not the 270bhp of the A3. To get a more powerful petrol A5 means finding a V6 - I have never seen one, not sure anyone bought it - or going for the S5. The S5 is a V8 only until very recently and the V6 petrol Audi's are notorious for a thirst that doesn't really match the performance they offer.

So, the 2.0TFSI is probably the petrol engine to go for in both A5 and A3 - and it'll be swifter in the S3 than the A5.

Sadly both cars were pretty underwhelming for me. I have this sort of love/hate thing going on with Audi. I really like the exterior styling - at times. The A5 is a bit superbland but generally speaking Audi get styling right more often than BMW do. They tend to look more 'premium' outside than the equivilent BMW. This is perhaps more of a criticism of how un-premium the previous 3 Series looked I guess, but there we go.

But then you get inside - where everyone bangs on about how amazing Audi quality is - and you find rattly creaky armrests and suspiciously cheap and tatty plastics. Perhaps I set my standards for them too high and am then dissapointed but my standards are set based on the reputation Audi seems to have in this area. The A6 is another story but certainly the cheaper Audi's do not quite feel as 'really nicely made' as perhaps people will have you beleive.

We'll move onto the drive.

A3 - the biggest problem here was that it felt nose heavy but this is a specific problem with the V6. The S3 is mechanically very similar (Quattro aside) from the Golf GTI which didnt have the same problem so I'd not expec it from an S3 either. The steering lacked any real feel, but it was otherwise ok.

A5. Just dull really. It was a diesel - but it was the 3.0 TDI which is supposed to do 0-60 in 5.9 seconds. Perhaps they are 5.9 moon-seconds or something, I dunno. Again, same lack of any real feeling from the steering.

All this leads me to think that really Audi is best suited to people who simply want 'Some nice posh car'. An Audi will look good on your drive, will be reasonably well made and gets you from A to B as quickly as you want given your budget. Thats it. No more garnish, or sauce - thats what it does. If a Ford Mondeo or a Mazda6 is the automotive equivilent of a fridge then an Audi is a really posh stainless steel fridge.

Before I get jumped on for trolling the Audi thread - which genuinelly isnt my intention - there is not neccesarily anything wrong with being an automotive stainless steel fridge. Infact just LOOk at Audi sales. Its what people want. Most people don't care about balance, steering feedback, blah blah blah. They just want a car thats nice to sit in and looks good. This is why you see so many A3 2.0 TDI S-Lines even though the design has been around since the old king died.

If thats you - go for it. And you'll probably love it.

I have never driven any of the really highly rated Audi's such as the RS4 and I very much doubt the above applies to those. Its just my thoughts on the normal Audi's I've driven.

Audi's are nice cars. I think that sums it up really.

Would tend to agree with this also. I've been driving Audis for the past 9-10 years. In my experience they are a reliable, nice place to be on the daily commute. Plus they feel well enough screwed together and give a sense of safety with the family on board which is important. The 3.0TDi I have at the minute is quick enough when it needs to be but as for driving enjoyment on the back roads etc it's probably the worst car I have owned. Serious tramline issues and no real feedback. As an A-road or motorway cruiser it's great.
I did have the pleasure of driving my father's 330Ci in the past at that was in a whole other league as far as driving pleasure was concerned.
 
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I adore mine!

I've got a B7 A4 Avant TDI and really happy with it.

It's a 170 but has had the DPF, EGR and EGR cooler removed. It has had a mild map too so might be sneaking over the 200 mark.

It isn't the best drive in the world and the diesel can either feel like a rocket or feel as gutless as heck but it is far better than the 1.9tdi engine in terms of driveability.

One mod I've done to mine is fit the RS4 rear roll bar. Feels a bit better from behind!
 
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Just got my A3 back after it being in the spray shop because some tool decided to key ALL, and I mean ALL down the drivers side :( will post some piccies later!

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Well, my DRL install had to be put on hold, one of my facelifted DRL headlights has a faulty DRL board so has had to be shipped to a specialist for rebuild :(

It's going to be pretty unique however, seeing as I've ditched the attempt to install the facelift headlights as-is, mainly due to wiring harnesses, adapters and a replacement control module (which would need component protection removing, and Audi dealers don't particularly like helping people with this, and I'm not buying a £2k+ interface to do the job!). So I've had the lenses and DRL-boards removed, and I'm going to replace the lenses on my pre-facelift lights, meaning I should get no DIS errors, as the car should be unaware that the DRLs even exist.

Hopefully I'll have the DRL-board back before the weekend.

Always been a fan of the A6, and you can get so much car for the money now. Seems everyone wants an A3/4 TDI!!

Audi A6 2.0T FSI S Line 5dr Avant

What are the running costs like? I'm always tempted by large luxury barges!! I love room and gadgets. Just need to convince myself it's a wise move from a Focus ST 2 years newer with known history etc...

Running costs are pretty cheap for what it's worth. Mine averages around 32MPG for a typical week (5 miles through town then 15 miles A-Roads daily), and will get 40~MPG on a motorway run. Servicing is paletable with the fixed price servicing from Audi dealers, although some parts costs are prohibitive (I paid >£250 for my high-level brake light to be replaced).

Seems very similar spec to mine that one, although I'm not a fan of the colour.
 
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Always been a fan of the A6, and you can get so much car for the money now. Seems everyone wants an A3/4 TDI!!

Audi A6 2.0T FSI S Line 5dr Avant

What are the running costs like? I'm always tempted by large luxury barges!! I love room and gadgets. Just need to convince myself it's a wise move from a Focus ST 2 years newer with known history etc...
i'd definitely choose the 2.0T over the 2.0Tdi now, you'll get close to 40mpg still with the added benefit of a decent engine, it's had a cambelt done too so you don't have to worry about that for another 70k miles or so / or 4 years. the 2.0t is a very reliable engine and it's linked to a manual box so you don't have to worry about a dodgy DSG gearbox (upwards of £3k fix). It's built well and that model seems pretty well specced too. Price, you should easily get that for £8k which is not a bad price really for what you get.
Tyres, you're looking at about £160-£180 a corner for decent tyres assuming they are the same wheels as mine (245/40/18). A service at an independent specialist is around £150, although i've just had mine done and provided my own oil and paid £55 for the service - but that was along with a cambelt change). That model shouldn't lose too much value now either, it's taken its biggest hit (bare in mind it was over £30k new).
 
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[TW]Fox;22263121 said:
Surely your Golf is pretty good? Didn't notice any from the few I've driven.

Our Golf has developed a few rattles...the RPM dial surround buzzes on rough tarmac and the door cards creak in warm weather. It's pretty good in general though I suppose, though I bet their manufacturing processes improved after the initial batch (of which we were customers), since the few I've driven / sat in recently have been better.

I'm sure there are loads of genuinely rattle-free cars, but the A7 just seemed completely silent to me. I have a keen ear for annoying trim rattles and it was seemingly perfect in that department.

Anyway that 2.0T posted above seems like great vfm. I've been tempted by A8s recently as they also seem like a lot of car for the money, but the air suspension relay issue scares me somewhat.
 

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Just got my A3 back after it being in the spray shop because some tool decided to key ALL, and I mean ALL down the drivers side :( will post some piccies later!

Stelly
Unlucky!
Some **** did that to my whole street. BMW said they could do it for £500, but I'm not going to bother as it lives on the street.
 
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