Poll: Austrian Grand Prix 2017, Spielberg - Race 9/20

Rate the 2017 Austrian Grand Prix out of ten


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The story of the Austrian Grand Prix begins, as with most Grands Prix, with a local group of motor racing enthusiasts in the 1950s. They created a simple L-shaped circuit with cones and hay bales in the town of Zeltweg. The first race held there in 1958, for international sportscars, was won by Wolfgang von Trips in a Porsche, but though the remarkably bumpy track drew criticism from some, the circuit went on to hold two rounds of the Formula Two Championship in 1959 and 1960. The organisers, however, dreamed of hosting a Formula One race, and in 1961 and 1963, Zeltweg staged non-championship events, won by Innes Ireland and Jack Brabham respectively.

The interest these events had stirred in Austria led to the rise of an Austrian superstar in Jochen Rindt. With Rindt ascending through the F1 ranks, Zeltweg pushed for a championship race, and in 1964 the dream was realised, with Lorenzo Bandini going on to claim his one and only victory in the sport. In 1965 Formula One racing decided not to return, but the sportscar event was still run and won by local hero Rindt in a Ferrari.

Rindt's success, coupled with a growing interest in F1 racing, led to enough funding being found for a purpose-built circuit to be created. The Osterreichring was located in a natural basin and proved to be one of the fastest tracks in the world. Its impressive corners, wonderful aesthetics and demand on driver skill would pass into Formula One legend.

The first Formula One race was held there in 1970. Rindt was dominating the season for Lotus and a win looked on the cards for the Austrian. But to the disappointment of the home fans it was not to be, with Jacky Ickx taking the chequered flag for Ferrari. There was always next year though. Tragically however, Rindt was killed just days later at that year’s Italian Grand Prix at Monza, becoming the sport's first, and to date thankfully its last, posthumous world champion.

The sport and the Austrian nation were devastated. Soon, however, Austria would have a new hero, in the form of Niki Lauda. In the mid-1970s, the home fans turned up year after year hoping to see Lauda triumph, but the Grand Prix developed a habit of providing unusual winners.

In 1975 Vittorio Brambilla won in torrential conditions for March, spinning out of control as he crossed the line. In 1976 John Watson gave Penske its first and only Formula One victory, in 1977 Alan Jones won for Shadow and in 1982 Elio de Angelis beat Keke Rosberg in one of the closest finishes of all time. A decade after entering Formula One racing with Ferrari, Lauda finally won in Austria, coming back from retirement to wow his home fans in 1984.

After numerous start-line accidents, arguments with local farmers over car parking and a general feeling that the circuit was unsafe, the Austrian Grand Prix at the Osterreichring was finally pulled from the calendar in 1987. The track continued to hold other events but gradually fell into disrepair until Austrian telecoms company A1 provided the funds to redevelop the circuit. Renamed the A1-Ring, it brought Formula One racing back to Austria in 1997. It would continue to host Grands Prix for the next six years - including the infamous 2002 event which saw Rubens Barrichello hand victory to Ferrari team mate Michael Schumacher within sight of the finishing line - before being dropped from the F1 schedule once more after 2003.

Over subsequent years, numerous improvement plans for the circuit stalled until it was eventually redeveloped and re-branded as the Red Bull Ring and reopened in 2011, since which time it has hosted series including DTM, World Series by Renault and European Le Mans.


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Track Diagram & Information
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Weather Forecast
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2016 Onboard Lap
https://www.formula1.com/en/video/2...ition_lap_-_Lewis_Hamilton__Austria_2016.html

2016 Race Edit
https://www.formula1.com/en/video/2016/7/Director's_Cut__Austria_2016.html

Austria Preview Quotes
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/headlines/2017/6/austria-preview-quotes.html

WDC Standings
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Constructors' Championship Standings
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Practice 1
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Practice 2
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Qualifying
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Race
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I really like this circuit, plus there's always the chance of changeable weather during the race as there is at Spa. Really hoping to see some wheel to wheel racing action between Vettel and Hamilton - neither will budge an inch after Baku.
 
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So, McLaren are bringing Honda's new Spec 3 engine that was supposedly worth 0.3 seconds around Baku. The optimism is somewhat cautious though, as a) they've been woeful for the past 3 years and b) Honda are warning that the high altitude of Austria will present challenges for the turbo...

If it doesn't shake itself to pieces by turn 2 it'll be interesting to see how much progress they've genuinely made.
 
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So, McLaren are bringing Honda's new Spec 3 engine that was supposedly worth 0.3 seconds around Baku. The optimism is somewhat cautious though, as a) they've been woeful for the past 3 years and b) Honda are warning that the high altitude of Austria will present challenges for the turbo...

If it doesn't shake itself to pieces by turn 2 it'll be interesting to see how much progress they've genuinely made.


It's amazing when you see people talking about maybe Alonso will stay if this update is good enough. 0.3 seconds a lap, their goal is to win races, in Baku Alonso was 4 seconds slower than Hamilton and Honda are talking about a fairly big upgrade bringing 0.3 seconds a lap there. If you look at the data on f1 fanatic (http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2017/06/...-prix-interactive-lap-times-and-fastest-laps/) you can see that Alonso managed two laps in the 105 second range by doing 2 laps at 110 second to charge up the battery and save fuel then did a fast lap, then another slow lap and a fast lap again. He does that presumably as the 3 laps gives enough power for two fast laps with the fast lap kinda like a quali lap to help get more heat in the tires, then a quick top off of the battery, then a final best case fast run. He's done this at a dozen races at the end of a race to try and do a glory lap. So Alonso absolute best case, throwing away 15 odd seconds on the track to set himself up was doing 105 second laps while Hamilton is at the same point of the race with similar fuel levels and tire life is doing consistent 103's lap after lap. Alonso's more consistent lap times would be somewhere around 106.5-107.5, even when not specifically doing glory laps it seems the Mclaren goes up and down in battery life every other lap. The car is 3.5 seconds minimum I think off the leaders race pace... but Honda are bringing something said to gain 0.3 seconds a lap. Regardless of race or qualifying that is a performance level that will make their fight against Sauber easier, will help them pass some other cars in races they suck at, like it might help a Mclaren fight a Williams in Hungary/Monaco, but it's 3 seconds short of making Honda competitive.

Another way to look at it, Honda, or Mclaren in total need to gain 3.5 seconds a lap at least to be competitive, this latest update, a big update, is bringing less than 1/10th of the required improvement and that is before we see if like other major updates, it actually reduces reliability for several races.

Mclaren/Honda should have gotten together a year ago and said, you can't rush another engine (effectively this 2017 engine was only really started in April/May timeframe) so take a year out, with your withdrawal another team will be forced to give Mclaren engines. Take 1-2 years out, so no resources trying to fix a bad engine, throw what you have out and go make an actually good engine, test it on track in a mule, fix your dyno to other teams levels(ie to the point track testing simply isn't required) and come back and prove yourself.

Instead they rush another engine despite that being the main cause of the first engine sucking, dire idea, they are stuck once again trying to patch a bad engine rather than building a genuinely good engine and instead of thinking about that again for now they are doubling down again by doing a deal with Sauber. At this point I don't think Honda will be competitive before the engine regulation change and even if they were what would it change? Lets say they rock up in 2019, they have a surprisingly good engine, I still can't see it being better but maybe it's not completely embarrassing and maybe someone else would have considered it for 2020, but now it looks like new engines for 2020 rather than 21. Who will see a finally decent 2019 engine after entering in 2015 and think I know Honda is likely to make a great new engine in 2020?
 
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FP1 Just completed;

As always hard to take too much away from FP1. Mclaren looks a bit more positive. Very strong pace from Mercedes with Hamilton, wasnt on the most competative tyre to set his laptime.

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Be interesting to see where McLaren are after FP2. That seems to be a better showing of speed ignoring any potential fuel savings and reliability issues.
 
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