Away goals rule could be abolished

[robfosters]

I bloody well hope so. I hate the rule. The team who wins should be the one who scores the most goals, not the one who scores most away from home. Would make the ties far more exciting imo. Probably get a few more penalty shoot outs out of it as well. Everyone loves a shoot out.

Bring it on I say!

 

[Mark1989]

I'd like it gone but I'd also say scrap extra time and go straight to pens

 

[HangTime]

I don't mind away goals, but I don't like the fact that they count in extra time of the second leg. That basically means you get an extra 30mins to score an away goal. If after 180mins it's all square you're basically then playing a mini 30min game where any score draw puts the away team through. Arsenal got knocked out by Olympiacos due to this anomaly, they got more opportunity to score away goals.

 

[adam cool dude]

I would bring back replays. Penalties are just pure luck

 

[HangTime]

The problem with replays in two-legged games at least in the early rounds is maintaining the schedule alongside other competitions, they were largely abolished when I was too young to even follow football. The sort of fixture congestion Liverpool were moaning about recently would become commonplace.

 

[kaiowas]

I don't mind away goals, but I don't like the fact that they count in extra time of the second leg. That basically means you get an extra 30mins to score an away goal. If after 180mins it's all square you're basically then playing a mini 30min game where any score draw puts the away team through. Arsenal got knocked out by Olympiacos due to this anomaly, they got more opportunity to score away goals.

Agree that away goals counting in extra time is unbalanced. Other issues are that penalties can be something of a lottery and is often an unsatisfactory way to settle a tight contest, additionally there are often games where at the end of 90 minutes you can almost see that penalties are inevitable and extra time it’s just a case of both sides being cagey and running down the clock.

Something I came up with a few years ago that would help with all of these issues would be to play the penalty shootout after 90 minutes however, rather than winning the tie, the winner of the shootout effectively has ‘advantage’. You then play extra time in the knowledge that whoever won the shootout will be awarded the win if it’s still level. This will ensure that one team has motivation to give everything to try and score, and makes it feel like the game has been settled via regular play.

 

[Deleted member 77746]

I come here for a PROPER shootout! What you gonna do with that rollin pin? You gonna bake me a cake?

 

[HangTime]

Agree that away goals counting in extra time is unbalanced. Other issues are that penalties can be something of a lottery and is often an unsatisfactory way to settle a tight contest, additionally there are often games where at the end of 90 minutes you can almost see that penalties are inevitable and extra time it’s just a case of both sides being cagey and running down the clock.

Something I came up with a few years ago that would help with all of these issues would be to play the penalty shootout after 90 minutes however, rather than winning the tie, the winner of the shootout effectively has ‘advantage’. You then play extra time in the knowledge that whoever won the shootout will be awarded the win if it’s still level. This will ensure that one team has motivation to give everything to try and score, and makes it feel like the game has been settled via regular play.

I starting writing the same thing in my post, but threw it out in the end because I think it just encourages the team that won the shootout to be super-defensive, and reduces the drama for broadcasters. You'd also potentially have weird situations like the winning penalty being scored by a player that got sent off, although I suppose that's no different from a player scoring in regular time and getting sent off.

On the plus side, it might give players a chance for immediate redemption, e.g. Stuart Pearce misses a penalty so then goes charging round for the next 30mins fighting for every ball.

 

[ThundyCat]

Same goes for the stupid play-offs.

Why should someone who finishes 6th potentially get promoted over someone who finishes 3rd!

 

[FrankJH]

I starting writing the same thing in my post, but threw it out in the end because I think it just encourages the team that won the shootout to be super-defensive, and reduces the drama for broadcasters. You'd also potentially have weird situations like the winning penalty being scored by a player that got sent off, although I suppose that's no different from a player scoring in regular time and getting sent off.

On the plus side, it might give players a chance for immediate redemption, e.g. Stuart Pearce misses a penalty so then goes charging round for the next 30mins fighting for every ball.

On a slightly different note - I couldnt work out if the below scenario was fair or not

one team has a player sent off , but they get to penalties.

does that mean the team who has a man sent off gets a bit of a bonus in panalties if everyone scores the 1st time - ie their primary striker is taking the 11th pen (his 2nd pen) at the same time as the other team's g/k ? Admittedly the other gk would be taking a pen (most likely?) vs a defender so its a bit of swings and roundabouts.

I dont think there is a perfect answer to be honest - Im not convinced the extra 30 mins in added time really does much (especially in Europa when you can change 1/2 the starting 11 by the end of extra time)

 

[mmj_uk]

Same goes for the stupid play-offs.

Why should someone who finishes 6th potentially get promoted over someone who finishes 3rd!

It should really just be 1 up 1 down but I imagine they needed a carrot to stop half of the league from down tooling half way through the season.

I suppose when the playoffs were implemented 3rd place would have been grateful they had a chance at promotion at all.

 

[montymint]

Same goes for the stupid play-offs.

Why should someone who finishes 6th potentially get promoted over someone who finishes 3rd!

I dunno, I find the playoffs some of the most exciting football of the season. If you weren't good enough to go up as part of the top 2, then that's the chance you take!

 

[HangTime]

On a slightly different note - I couldnt work out if the below scenario was fair or not

one team has a player sent off , but they get to penalties.

does that mean the team who has a man sent off gets a bit of a bonus in panalties if everyone scores the 1st time - ie their primary striker is taking the 11th pen (his 2nd pen) at the same time as the other team's g/k ? Admittedly the other gk would be taking a pen (most likely?) vs a defender so its a bit of swings and roundabouts.

I dont think there is a perfect answer to be honest - Im not convinced the extra 30 mins in added time really does much (especially in Europa when you can change 1/2 the starting 11 by the end of extra time)

No it doesn't work like that, you only need to select as many takers as players in the opposition team. So if it's 11v10 then you only need 10 takers and can let your worst taker (not necessarily the keeper) sit it out. So when 10 players have taken from both teams, you go back to the start again.

 

[FrankJH]

No it doesn't work like that, you only need to select as many takers as players in the opposition team. So if it's 11v10 then you only need 10 takers and can let your worst taker (not necessarily the keeper) sit it out. So when 10 players have taken from both teams, you go back to the start again.

Fair enough

I would still suggest its likely that the keeper is most likely to be the last chosen to be a penalty taker

 

[Rotty]

No away goals will lead to away teams in first leg just parking the bus

 

[MooMoo444]

I was always quite partial to golden goal myself. Sudden death.

 

[robfosters]

I was always quite partial to golden goal myself. Sudden death.

The golden goal. If Gazza was just a few inches taller dammit! Heartbreaking stuff.

 

[wildman]

in the event of a draw there should be an infinite amount of extra time, however every minute a player from both sides gets taken off the pitch in random order so by the time 10 mins are played you are down to 1 man each, and the rule should be that you can't play rush goalies so you can't just stick an outfield player in goal when the keeper comes off.

 

[FrankJH]

in the event of a draw there should be an infinite amount of extra time, however every minute a player from both sides gets taken off the pitch in random order so by the time 10 mins are played you are down to 1 man each, and the rule should be that you can't play rush goalies so you can't just stick an outfield player in goal when the keeper comes off.

Talk about utter chaos!!!

 

[UTmaniac]

Confirmed on bbc a few minutes ago.