Blind faith

Stag · 10 Apr 2007 at 15:57

Joe42 said:
There's no faith in science, and there's no faith in atheism. Everything scientists and atheists believe and do is based entirely on logic, reasoning and evidence.
There's no 'third way'. Either you have evidence for the existence of something, or you don't.

Atheism is the inherent faith that there is no god, you are wrong.

Deleted member 329 · 10 Apr 2007 at 15:59

that pic is a true classic!

@if ®afiq · 10 Apr 2007 at 16:03

Bumhucker said:
I dunno, I'll have to check my anti-religious brainwashing.

ROFL

Azagoth · 10 Apr 2007 at 16:06

"I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do. Whereas priests......"

Whappers · 10 Apr 2007 at 16:11

jezsoup said:
If I had no evidence to believe is Jesus/ God/Christianity I wouldnt do. But I do believe in it as I have seen/been on the recieving end of more than enough evidence.

Care to elaborate?

Homeslice · 10 Apr 2007 at 16:20

Joe42 said:
No he doesn't. Faith is the belief in something regardless of a lack of evidence.
He has, as do all other atheists, an almost infinite quantity of high quality reproducible evidence which suggests that a supreme being does not exist. All he does is compare this to the complete lack of evidence for the existence of a supreme being. He doesn't preach, he doesn't ask you to believe in anything, he simply presents the evidence that is there and asks you the question 'why do you believe in this when there's so much evidence against it?'.

O deary deary me! Its interesting to note that in Richard Dawkins' book, he fails to talk once about the large historical event of the resurrection. Not once, in such a large book. I find this very interesting, not least because RD knows its the one area of Christianity that makes or breaks the entire religion and faith. It's also the most hitorically documented event, factual that a man called Jesus existed and that he did 'rise from the dead'. RD overlooks this in spectacular fashion.

Azagoth · 10 Apr 2007 at 16:27

Homeslice said:
O deary deary me! Its interesting to note that in Richard Dawkins' book, he fails to talk once about the large historical event of the resurrection. Not once, in such a large book. I find this very interesting, not least because RD knows its the one area of Christianity that makes or breaks the entire religion and faith. It's also the most hitorically documented event, factual that a man called Jesus existed and that he did 'rise from the dead'. RD overlooks this in spectacular fashion.

Historically and factually documented that Jesus rose from the dead? Thanks for that, I needed a good laugh.

Stag · 10 Apr 2007 at 16:29

The "fact" of the resurection is at the core of Christian beliefs, to say it is the most historically documented event is tenuous at most. The evidence would not convince a jury.

Not to say it didn't happen, but it is certainly anything but proven.

Homeslice · 10 Apr 2007 at 16:36

Azagoth said:
Historically and factually documented that Jesus rose from the dead? Thanks for that, I needed a good laugh.

Oh dear - miseducation is a horrible disabilty

The destruction of the arguments against the resurrection is the easiest form of proof. Arguments against the ways of life in the time of Jesus are testament to that fact. In a modern court, you dont need physical evidence to prove a case, you need to convince 'beyond all reasonable doubt'.

This is managed fairy easily with the resurrection even without physical proof.

SexyGreyFox · 10 Apr 2007 at 16:44

Homeslice said:
It's also the most hitorically documented event, factual that a man called Jesus existed and that he did 'rise from the dead'.

No doubt there was a terrorist called Jesus who upset every Jewish elder he could, no doubt they nailed him to a cross for doing such things but saying its a fact he rose from the dead - give me a break.
His whole new religion was based on the fact that he would rise up to his father and it just so happened that his second in line (maybe wife) saw him for a few seconds.
Great proof that.

Stag · 10 Apr 2007 at 16:44

The thing is, by proving someone wrong doesn't automatically prove you yourself are correct.

jezsoup · 10 Apr 2007 at 16:45

Whappers said:
Care to elaborate?

See this post

Theres more too...

Yas786 · 10 Apr 2007 at 16:53

dmpoole said:
No doubt there was a terrorist called Jesus who upset every Jewish elder he could, no doubt they nailed him to a cross for doing such things but saying its a fact he rose from the dead - give me a break.
His whole new religion was based on the fact that he would rise up to his father and it just so happened that his second in line (maybe wife) saw him for a few seconds.
Great proof that.

Stag said:
The thing is, by proving someone wrong doesn't automatically prove you yourself are correct.

Quite apt if you ask me...

Azagoth · 10 Apr 2007 at 16:57

Homeslice said:
Oh dear - miseducation is a horrible disabilty

Wow, you're a funny guy! I tell you what, you show me all this historic and factual proof that some leader of a cult called Jesus rose from the death he probably deserved and I'll consider myself re-educated.

jezsoup · 10 Apr 2007 at 17:44

Azagoth said:
Wow, you're a funny guy! I tell you what, you show me all this historic and factual proof that some leader of a cult called Jesus rose from the death he probably deserved and I'll consider myself re-educated.

You show me your evidence that he deserved it!

Its funny what stories and other bits of twadle people have to believe and accept just to dissprove Christianity and Jesus.

Homeslice · 10 Apr 2007 at 18:15

dmpoole said:
he would rise up to his father and it just so happened that his second in line (maybe wife) saw him for a few seconds.
Great proof that.

Her and over 600 other people shortly afterwards. Documented. Coincidence i'm sure.

you show me all this historic and factual proof that some leader of a cult called Jesus rose from the death he probably deserved and I'll consider myself re-educated.

you show me all this historic and factual proof that Jesus did not rise from the dead and I'll consider myself re-educated.

Works both ways! Whats that? You can't? In all fairness is there any point in continuing to post?

Van_Dammesque · 10 Apr 2007 at 18:28

Homeslice said:
Her and over 600 other people shortly afterwards. Documented. Coincidence i'm sure.

you show me all this historic and factual proof that Jesus did not rise from the dead and I'll consider myself re-educated.

Works both ways! Whats that? You can't? In all fairness is there any point in continuing to post?

Bold: what you are wanting described are essentially Judiasm and Islam.
Show me the proof that jesus had actually died!

Bumhucker · 10 Apr 2007 at 18:33

@if ®afiq said:
ROFL

Yes! I got a ROFL. There is a God!!!!

Homeslice · 10 Apr 2007 at 18:40

Van_Dammesque said:
Bold: what you are wanting described are essentially Judiasm and Islam.
Show me the proof that jesus had actually died!

Who else got nailed to a tree?

Van_Dammesque · 10 Apr 2007 at 18:45

Homeslice said:
Who else got nailed to a tree?

Judiasm and Islam differ from christianity because they do not believe he was the messiah/existed.

Many people got nailed to a tree or cross etc....around that era.

Blind faith

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