Brillant Young Players .... Hype or Not?

tsinc80697 · 27 Jul 2006 at 00:21

stop using Robbies wrong name, we all know he was renamed GOD years ago.

SpeedFreak · 27 Jul 2006 at 01:52

Champions league, Man United debut, Hat-trick. Gotta be the greatest debut of all time. Rooney is not overhyped and he is not a striker.

Kop_Jedi · 27 Jul 2006 at 08:52

Robbie got 5 on his home debut and more hat tricks than Rooney will ever get before he was 21.

Gilly · 27 Jul 2006 at 08:55

Kop_Jedi said:
Robbie got 5 on his home debut and more hat tricks than Rooney will ever get before he was 21.

So?

Boscher · 27 Jul 2006 at 09:42

Another brilliant young player is Fabregas, such potential to be an arsenal great if we can hold onto him

wedgie · 27 Jul 2006 at 10:02

Kop_Jedi said:
Robbie got 5 on his home debut and more hat tricks than Rooney will ever get before he was 21.

Clearly all you Robbie fans see something in Fowler that no England manager ever did.

Gooner14 · 27 Jul 2006 at 10:12

Boscher said:
Another brilliant young player is Fabregas, such potential to be an arsenal great if we can hold onto him

He will leave at some point. But it could still be after 10 years at the club, in his mid 20's. He will go back to Barca at some point.

sanofi · 27 Jul 2006 at 10:32

Boscher said:
Another brilliant young player is Fabregas, such potential to be an arsenal great if we can hold onto him

He is good, no doubt there, but really isn't consistent enough from what I've seen in the Permiership, CL and WC.

Dtab · 27 Jul 2006 at 10:53

wedgie22 said:
Clearly all you Robbie fans see something in Fowler that no England manager ever did.

No reflection on robbie that Glenn Hoddle is an idiot

wedgie · 27 Jul 2006 at 11:10

Maybe not, but he has never been considered a first choice England striker by any England manager throughout his career.

Dtab · 27 Jul 2006 at 11:48

He was behind Shearer and Sheri under Tel which was fair enough as he was still young then.When Hoddle took over was when Robbie should have got more of a look in ,but wheras most players went along with Glenns loonytunes methods to keep their places Robbie wouldn't so got sidelined.

Oakesy2001uk · 27 Jul 2006 at 11:58

wedgie22 said:
Maybe not, but he has never been considered a first choice England striker by any England manager throughout his career.

because glenn hoddle was an idiot, his record speaks for itself, in his early years he was truely prolific!
Hopefully there will be a little more fowler magic next season.

SpeedFreak · 27 Jul 2006 at 15:38

Fowler was never a key part of the England setup, he was no better than Andy Cole, who was an excelent player, but when it came to internationals, didn't feature.

BaZ87 · 27 Jul 2006 at 16:02

SpeedFreak said:
he was no better than Andy Cole

Sorry i think you have posted this in the wrong thread, i think you need to go here:
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17605574

The only reason why Fowler never featured much for England was because Hoddle was an idiot

SpeedFreak · 27 Jul 2006 at 16:41

thanks BaZ

I think you have a bit of a blinkered view of Fowler tbh. Anyhow, Andy Cole was an excellent player, Fowler should be hapy to be compared.

Cole scored around 200 goals in 400 top flight games excluding europe
Cole has 20 in 52 european games

Fowler got about 160 in about 350 top flight games excluding europe
Fowler has 5 in 29 european games

Are they comparable, yes. Fowler did a bit better for England than Cole, but not much

BaZ87 · 27 Jul 2006 at 17:15

If your going by stats then Cole is better than Rooney?
Andy Cole was a good player playing in a great side; look how many more goals RVN scored when he went to Man Utd. RVN got around 30-40 goals a season (in his first few years), that just shows you how many goals Cole could have scored if he was a top class striker. On the other hand Fowler was playing in an average Liverpool side yet managed to get to 100 goals quicker than Ian Rush (possibly the best goal scorer in the UK for 30 years) and IIRC scored over 30 goals in 3 seasons in a row. The only reason he never continued to go on from that start was firstly; the knee injury he got and then Houllier not liking/wanting him.

Cole was not an International standard player but Fowler was, like i said earlier the reason why he never got a fair chance was Hoddle.

SpeedFreak · 27 Jul 2006 at 17:23

In fairness to Cole, he did amazingly well at Newcastle, who were average, even when they came second in the league. Hoddle also had something against Cole and Ian Wright

Ripper · 27 Jul 2006 at 17:50

around that time we had a good selection of English strikers. Shearer, Sheringham, Owen, Fowler, Cole, Wright. It was never going to be easy for fowler/cole/wright to edge out the others. At the opening game of the 98 world cup i think it was shearer/sheringham that started and then Owen came in for the rest of the tournament. The others weren't really ever going to get a look in unless any injuries occured.

"andy" · 27 Jul 2006 at 17:52

im in a yakubu loving mood today lol

yakubu gets forgotten like a ginger step child look at his scoring records over the last few years playing for absolute rubish teams

<3 yakubu

he wasnt that old when banging around 20 goals in for portsmouth

but tbh i dont think rooney is overrated at all he does allot more than just scores

Gilly · 27 Jul 2006 at 17:58

BaZ87 said:
Cole was not an International standard player but Fowler was, like i said earlier the reason why he never got a fair chance was Hoddle.

You don't know that. You don't just need to be good to be International standard, you need to make it count on the big stage too. He never got a fair crack at it, granted, but you can't say he was International standard just by his domestic scoring record IMO.