Citroen C4 05 plate or alternative

[Dr Who]

I do yes.

After all, my opinion was asked for.

What do you drive, out of interest?

I have many cars, 2009 Audi A3 1.9TDI, 1989 Peugeot 205 GTi currently having a GTi6 engine and Citroen Xsara VTS Box with Tran-X diff transplanted into it, crappy Vauxhall Astra diesel (wifes) and have just recently sent back my Mk5 Golf GTI 2008 as it was a company car.

Sold in the last 2 years Scooby Forester S/tb and my Lotus 7 replica with Kawasaki ZX12r Engine built by me. Any further questions?

 

[Dr Who]

What is your opinion based on? You are in grave danger of losing credibility by doubting the reliaibility of Toyota!

Awaits response to this q with interest...

 

[fonzee]

I can also guarantee that the Focus will be nicer to drive, more reliable and will wear much better than the C4.

not really though, can you?

all cars mentioned seem to fit the criteria fine. all are reliable with reasonable running costs.

test drive all three, and go from there.

 

[Tute]

I am in grave danger of not giving a ****.

I came into this thread to give an opinion. I knew recommending the vRS would get Fox on my back, alas I took the risk, and it happened.

Personally, I would buy a Focus and a Fabia over any Toyota for reliability, yes. No test is ever exhaustive, and as a result i'm never going to take their opinion as gospel. But Mr Who, I don't care enough to sit here and argue with you over it.

 

[snowdog]

Where do you take it from corolla's are unrealiable ?

How do you explain, that we sold our 1993 corolla liftback 1.6 for 1500€, with NO MOT, with over 400.000 km on the clock, FOR the export to Africa ? If they are not reliable, why on earth would they pay 1500 for the car, 1500+ for the transport, etcetc... There are companies specializing in this, buying up old corolla's and starlets for the export to poorer countries... Because these cars will keep going for ever.

 

[Tute]

Where do you take it from that I said Corollas are unreliable?

 

[snowdog]

You seem to suggest a ford or skoda is more reliable, if they are, why aren't they wanted as much as old toyota's ?

 

[[TW]Fox]

I honestly cannot believe i just read that! I am NO fan of toyota and would never buy one but to question the reliability, just lol

 

[Dr Who]

I am in grave danger of not giving a ****.

I came into this thread to give an opinion. I knew recommending the vRS would get Fox on my back, alas I took the risk, and it happened.

Personally, I would buy a Focus and a Fabia over any Toyota for reliability, yes. No test is ever exhaustive, and as a result i'm never going to take their opinion as gospel. But Mr Who, I don't care enough to sit here and argue with you over it.

Hey read my sig comments about opinions

No need to argue, if you make your choice that's fine, however, the OP was looking for advice, and if you give advice, be prepared to back it up with evidence and/or experience.

I am prepared to back my advice up with 26 years of personal experience and I expect people to disagree at time, and healthy debate spark from that, we asked for some justification for a focus and fabia being more reliable than the Toyota other than personal choice, and you had none. It was about a £1k bet, so no need to bring up the old adage of a fool and his money .

People do agree and disagree with Fox from time to time, including me, but he does ALWAYS back up his comments with facts, hence even if I disagree, he loses no respect.

Its not a recommendation for the Fabia, its a good car, as is the Focus, its your commitment to both of them being more reliable than a Toyota that invokes ridicule as it has absolutely no basis other than fanboy.

 

[Tute]

You seem to suggest a ford or skoda is more reliable, if they are, why aren't they wanted as much as old toyota's ?

Source for the fact that Toyotas are "wanted more" than Fords/Skodas?

I honestly cannot believe i just read that! I am NO fan of toyota and would never buy one but to question the reliability, just lol

*sigh*

You're like the Motors version of CBS.

You'd claim that the back doors of a Mondeo are made out of dead monkeys just to be different.

Hey read my sig comments about opinions

No need to argue, if you make your choice that's fine, however, the OP was looking for advice, and if you give advice, be prepared to back it up with evidence and/or experience.

I am prepared to back my advice up with 26 years of personal experience and I expect people to disagree at time, and healthy debate spark from that, we asked for some justification for a focus and fabia being more reliable than the Toyota other than personal choice, and you had none. It was about a £1k bet, so no need to bring up the old adage of a fool and his money .

People do agree and disagree with Fox from time to time, including me, but he does ALWAYS back up his comments with facts, hence even if I disagree, he loses no respect.

I don't think that in the real world a Corolla would be any better for reliability than a Focus - even the survey says there's a 4% difference which is well within the realms of error.

I'm not saying it's wrong - i'm just saying that I don't think it's right either. All I can say to back that up is that from reading around, from what i've seen a Corolla isn't as reliable as a Focus. If you'd have said something like a Hilux i'd have given you that.

Its not a recommendation for the Fabia, its a good car, as is the Focus, its your commitment to both of them being more reliable than a Toyota that invokes ridicule as it has absolutely no basis other than fanboy.

And then you go and ruin your post. Strikes me that the word "fanboy" is rolled out as soon as a poster senses a chance that they might lose an argument on these forums.

Our opinions differ. I think it's best to leave it at that before we kindly get the OP's thread closed. He asked for car recommendations - not the reliability differences between two cars.

Both are a good choice. I WOULD PERSONALLY take the Focus/Fabia over the Corolla for reliability. That doesn't mean he has to.

 

[snowdog]

Source for the fact that Toyotas are "wanted more" than Fords/Skodas?

Supply & demand:


Most popular dutch advert site ( run by ebay ironically, but we hate the actual Ebay here as it's an auction rather than just an advert site and focusses on postage rather than pickup) :

Corolla's cost far more than an escort of the same age, higher price = higher demand...

 

[Tute]

It's nothing to do with demand. Over here, Fiestas, Focii, Escorts are all cheaper to buy than most other makes. That's because they're the barry boy car of choice, and people aren't prepared to pay as much to take what is essentially a risk with a car that's been pushed to it's redline most of the time.

 

[snowdog]

It's nothing to do with demand. Over here, Fiestas, Focii, Escorts are all cheaper to buy than most other makes. That's because they're the barry boy car of choice, and people aren't prepared to pay as much to take what is essentially a risk with a car that's been pushed to it's redline most of the time.

Thus the demand is less for such a car .

More demand = people willing to pay more
Less demand = people not willing to pay much

 

[Tute]

Lol, how does this tie into reliability?

And as said, it's not about demand, it's about worth, and risk.

 

[snowdog]

People willing to pay double for a double mileage (than the escort) 1997 corolla than a 1997 escort doesn't say anything about what the general opinion about reliability ?

 

[[TW]Fox]

I dont really see how a classified ad site from another country shows willingness to pay.

Snowdog v Tute, this could be amusing.

 

[mjt]

good lord..

OP, get a corolla

/thread

 

[MarkDavis]

I honestly cannot believe i just read that! I am NO fan of toyota and would never buy one

Why not? Based on the way you drive, an Avensis does 99% of everything your car does. Cheaper to run and more reliable too!

 

[snowdog]

He doesn't like Japanese interiors, stuff must look nice and feel nice in his opinion.
He is turned off by the amount of plastic in the avensis's interior . Plastic that doesn't feel ''well built'' which in his opinion is something that feels firm, doesn't flex, etc...

Don't think the handling is very comparable either, an avensis isn't RWD and fox likes that so erm...

 

[Janesy B]

I often found this reflected by the big amounts of old Citroens BX, CX and XM driving around... They are far more numerous than similar aged Mondeo's/Sierra's and Escorts...

In what country?

You NEVER see any BX, CX or XMs around!

What Fox does or doesn't like is TOTALLY irrelevance to what the OP wants so I wish people would stop trash talking. The MK5 Golf is BLAND and the C4 isn't very nice and you would have to be a bit mad to buy one over a Golf, Focus or Corrola.

OP, look at a MK5 Golf, Focus or Corrola and then buy what you prefer. It's simple really.