Soldato
Is the number actually that high compared to other areas with a population of over 8 million?
Death toll in London hits 60
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Educated people not to be stupid enough to take drugs and a lot of the violence will disappear.
Then again, still be left with the gun crime!
Exactly better law enforcement, education, opportunities etc and young people won't take this route.
Not sure what drug people are on to say it's not the government, do you really want it to become like American hoods?
Educated people are famous for thier drug use though.
I mean drugs are undeniably a very positive feeling, no amount of education about anything is going to make ecstasy not feel good
yes last two month the murder rate in london has been higher than new york.
drugs are the main reason.someone mentiones thatcher earlier no joke you could go back many years and say yes.goverment has had a effect on why uk is becoming like it is.
for eg notts.where im from it was mainly mining area.many where shut down and wernt that many jobs.also during early 90s drugs started to come in.povity or being poor and drugs go together.younger people no jobs.no chances.drugs = money and escape.so teens get involved.money is made.people making money dont want others making money.so they have to be stopped.so it ends up in violence.remember some of the people doing this are earning very large amounts of money.more than anyone will ever see in a life time.so the violence to match that is going to be bad.notts had lots of shootings.carried on for years.many put away for a long long time but all that happens is if the oppurtunity is there others will just take their place.
move on and we now have the same sorta scenario and bling mentality.for many youngsters.why work at mcdonalds when that same youth can earn 5x as much with drugs ? can buy all of he dreams of.to many that seems stupid.risky.dangerous.wrong ! but to someone who is either in a bad area got nothing or dont want the bottom wrung of the ladder job its a option.a better option for them.
there are loads of factors to consider.drugs are one of the main ones.jobs another.
Caporegime
I think I speak for us all when I say...did you type that on a Samsing Galaxy by any chance?
That was a typically misleading use of statistics by the papers (no surprise there then) using a very selective 2 month time frame.
If you take the whole of 2017, there were 116 murders in London and 290 in New York. And looking historically it's not that London is getting statistically more violent it's just that New York is getting less.
rather than talk about the topic you go on about my typing lol.yes its terrible.
Soldato
#feelingsmatter
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Sky News said:
Of course these aren't statistics from this year, however, if the rate continues London will be about on par with Greater Manchester.
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Not sure your comment was clever enough to warrant a Whoosh
Even in my small town there has been quite a large spike in beggars over the past 1-2 years, 3 hooded thugs are going around robbing businesses and an empty shop in the middle of the town centre was raided by police and they found 1.5m worth of Cannabis being cultivated. I've never known anything like it. The whole country is going down the toilet.
Yeah mandatory 50 year terms would indeed be rubbish if the chances of being caught were tiny, I think things like longer probationary periods and a big escalations in sentencing for repeat offences/offences within those probationary periods would be good to see. It isn't just the deterrent effect either, for people who clearly aren't rehabilitated then simply keeping them away from society for longer serves a useful purpose in itself - for example the hither green burglar, someone who lives in a community where being a criminal is normal/culturally a common choice and for whom all the male family members make a living that way then there is only so much that can realistically be done and after repeat offences it seems they still end up only serving a bit of their sentence then are back out again and after more elderly victims... whereas someone who is perhaps being caught for a first offence, isn't in a family of criminals is perhaps going to have a much higher chance of being able to move away from crime.
Sure there are social issues too but the cut in police numbers has IMO had a fairly obvious impact on their ability to deal with crime - there is also the psychological impact too perhaps, if criminals are aware that the police are overstretched then does there perception of risk then change? If we're talking about the deterrent effect and the chances of getting caught then presumably for some the chance of being caught perhaps is being perceived as being a bit lower.
They just need to get their priorities sorted, the London Mayor is always talking about cuts in police numbers but at the same time he's making speeches about the dangers of 'hate speech', obviously some girl quoting offensive lyrics and a dog doing Nazi salutes is more dangerous and worthy of police/cps time than moped gangs, acid attackers and the increase in gang warfare and 'real world' criminality in general. We're just clogging up an already stretched system with stupid things that in most cases can be solved with a quick word or service suspension/ban rather than a two year investigation/court case and criminal conviction.
Not sure your comment was clever enough to warrant a Whoosh
No it wasn't clever but I was being facetious when I said the death toll should be celebrated.
Obviously we don't want people killing each other in the streets but at the same time it's not the governments fault that people behave in a certain way, what is being described in the article is not a case of innocent people being stabbed but people going at each other. It's true that the governments policy on drugs does result in violent crime, but on a case by case basis you can't directly blame the government.
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Shouldn’t have cut public services so much including police.
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It's black culture. Along with the violence, the drugs and poverty are also a product of black culture. Being a decent human being and trying hard at school makes you a lame coconut, but being a violent thug gets you respek.
Man of Honour
None of those things are black culture, thats gang culture which a disproportionate number of black people in the UK seem to be involved in.
Caporegime
But its not just the uk.