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Deciding between 4890 and GTX 260

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ps - I don't dispute that you're having a great experience with the games that you play. I'm more concerned about the month long waiting game of ATI driver catch up after a newly released game.

Thats the thing though, the "risk" you state is practicaly unfounded, every new game I have bourght since having my 4890 for instance has played perfectly well, never had to wait for drivers, can you state any games where this has been the case apart from Shift?

I don't mean ATI bringing out "optomised" drivers, I mean waiting for the game to be even playable.

For instance a lack of 5 fps is not a game breaking driver issue.
 
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SE-Lain did you read the EA forums without your tinted specs? The game is a POS on the PC for lots of people with Nvidia cards as well as Ati cards.

Typical EA rubbish, every NFS that has been released has been unoptimised doodoo. Always wait for v1.1 for EA games.
 
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Thats the thing though, the "risk" you state is practicaly unfounded, every new game I have bourght since having my 4890 for instance has played perfectly well, never had to wait for drivers, can you state any games where this has been the case apart from Shift?

That's fine, the risk might be small - I have no way of determining the percentage of games that have problems - I can only do the research and make decisions based on what I find. I've compiled a list of games that have required hotfixes or driver updates in order to become playable on ATI hardware:

Sims3 - graphical corruption
Company of Heroes - crash
http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/Hotfixfor3DGames.aspx

World of Warcraft - crash
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/page-252319_15_0.html

Test Drive Unlimited - stuttering - still not fixed
http://www.rage3d.com/BOARD/showthread.php?t=33940947

Brothers in Arms - Hell's Highway - graphical corruption
http://www.dvhardware.net/article30905.html

Stalker Clear Sky - graphical corruption and poor dx10 performance
http://forums.amd.com/game/messageview.cfm?catid=279&threadid=99775

Unreal Engine 3 - alt tab crash - took 1 year to fix
http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33928406

Far Cry 2 - graphical corruption and crash
http://forums.amd.com/game/messageview.cfm?catid=227&threadid=101908

Fallout 3 - graphical corruption
http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33944711

Flight Simulator X - poor performance
http://forums.amd.com/game/messageview.cfm?catid=233&threadid=94544&enterthread=y&STARTPAGE=2

X-Plane 9 - crash / freezing
http://www.rage3d.com/board/showpost.php?p=1336029335&postcount=6
http://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?showtopic=39938&st=0

Just tried the new driver and it does appear X-Plane works properly now. About time.. very frustrating to spend $70 on a game and then be unable to play it properly for over a year because ATI still doesn't know how to write OpenGL drivers. This is far from the first time there's an issue with VBO's in ATI's OpenGL driver.

Oh well, please don't break it again :(

Quake Wars - graphical corruption
http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33945056

Need for Speed: Shift - poor performance
http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33952606

Anno 1404 - missing ground textures
http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33950829
http://forums.amd.com/game/messageview.cfm?catid=231&threadid=116738

Red Faction: Guerrilla
http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33952329&page=4

That is just grand. To play RF3 install older drivers. To play NFS Shift install another driver set and to play Batman w/ AA install 9.9 drivers. This is seriously ****ing me off...

Really **** ATi for all I care... this last purchase of mine can't end sooner enough...

Game runs like utter crap on them radeons. Chalk another new release out of play ring for the next month or two...

I am having a blast playing all the newly released games... oh wait... I am NOT!

Granted, most of the above problems have now been fixed, but in some of those cases, the period of time between owning the game and waiting for a fix is, I'm sure you'll agree, completely unacceptable.
 
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I had every one of those games on release and never experience issues that made the game unplayable, far from it actualy, I don't think I ever experiences a problem in any of them at release.

Your deffinition of "unplayable" is clearly differant to others.
 
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Care to show some benchmarks?

I've never seen a 260 level with a 4890, overclocked or not, the 4890 is simply a faster card.
Based on the fact that an overclocked GTX260 216 can beat a stock GTX285 (which is tad fater than a 4890). I must say that I cannot find any direct comparison overclocked 260 vs 4890 reviews on the net, but there are several which compare overclocked 260's vs 285's. Here's one.

Don't forget that 260's are around £20 cheaper. Both are great budget cards.
 

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There's only three things that interest me when buying a new card, drivers seem fine on both brands for the most part.Bang for buck is it the best price/performance card and cheap cool quiet 3rd party coolers.I currently have a 4850 which still seems fine for 1680-1050 + an accelero s1 and quite frankly I could never go back to stock cooling on cards.And thirdly power consumption if 2 cards are neck and neck the one with the lower power draw is the one I'd always get.Personally I would wait a while for the new cards and see whats what then and maybe pick up an even cheaper 4890/gtx260 in the mm.
 
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What about waiting for Nvidia's fixes for newly released games, you sometimes have to wait 6 months (as thats how long they usually take to release another driver), jesus, i wouldn't want to play the game after waiting that long. :eek:

ATi may not take a month to fix Shift problems, as they could release a hotfix driver for it at anytime.

Not just ATi that have driver problems either, Nvidia have them to (look at their 190 driver threads, everyones going back to 186's etc...).

Sick to bloody death of this now, how the **** is it that ATi only get the ******* driver slagging :mad:
 
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Time to settle this.

There are driver issues that are still plaguing nVidia's drivers since XP days I'm pretty sure.

There's an ATi equivalent, but I can't remember the name of either of them.

If some one can enlighten me on the names of these two driver crashes, we can google them and show Lain that the amount of results of the nVidia equivalent dwarfs the ATi results.

So yeah, nVidia have a higher market share, but they've been quite sloppy with their drivers.
 
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What about waiting for Nvidia's fixes for newly released games, you sometimes have to wait 6 months (as thats how long they usually take to release another driver), jesus, i wouldn't want to play the game after waiting that long. :eek:

ATi may not take a month to fix Shift problems, as they could release a hotfix driver for it at anytime.

Not just ATi that have driver problems either, Nvidia have them to (look at their 190 driver threads, everyones going back to 186's etc...).

Sick to bloody death of this now, how the **** is it that ATi only get the ******* driver slagging :mad:

It's the whole nVidia thing. 'My mate said that ATi are crap, so they must be.'

The whole immature kid who's just discovered PC gaming and all they know is nVidia.
 
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The nv4 display driver BSOD tho isn't always caused by a bug/problem with the nVidia drivers as such but due to the often shoddy chipset on many Asus P5 boards, which is one of the most common, when using RAM running faster than 667MHz or the nForce chipset overheating. The nVidia hardware just seems to be the first point of failure when this occurs.

Prolly only 1 time in 4 is this actually a driver error.

ATI drivers _used_ to be terrible... back in the ATI Rage Fury, etc. days I used to have to swap between different driver versions just to play different games... since the end of the 8.xx series tho they've matured considerably...

nVidia has traditionally had very stable drivers, the odd beta and the first version to support DX8 aside... tho they seem to have cocked up lately with the 185.xx and 190.xx drivers which in some cases are truuuly terrible... I hope thats not a sign of future things from nVidia.
 
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The nv4 display driver BSOD tho isn't always caused by a bug/problem with the nVidia drivers as such but due to the often shoddy chipset on many Asus P5 boards, which is one of the most common, when using RAM running faster than 667MHz or the nForce chipset overheating. The nVidia hardware just seems to be the first point of failure when this occurs.

Prolly only 1 time in 4 is this actually a driver error.

That's not the one I was thinking of. It's something like 'nvkdml' or something, I can't remember exactly though, and there's an ATi equivalent that's very similar in name too.
 
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nvlddmkm.sys... same difference... its one of the first points of failure with faulty memory or chipset problems on Asus P5 based boards and nForce boards for some reason.

Not to say theres not a driver related problem that causes it - but on balance its generally caused more often by a problem in another part of the system.
 
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