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Of course there are native speakers. I.e those who learned the language as their first tongue. Google it, you will find the results you need.

But that's just one example of where there is additional cost/burden on the tax payer and additional strain on resource and an impact upon our children.

I'm sure you can probably think up numerous other issues too, if you try hard enough.

Cultural sexism being one, just off the top of my head.

Of course we can try to re-educate every person of every culture about these things but again, the cost, the time, the damage, is it really worth it?

So if someone legally brings their family here and the children don't speak English well, what should happen? I suppose we could oblige the family has to know a certain level of English as a whole before being granted visa's, but that seems rather obtuse enough that big employers aren't about to support it.

Looking at the Aussie system which we seem to be basing ours on, I can't find anything about any such limitations and the cost is about the same for said visa.
 
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Just 1 translator costs £90 hour.
Really every one?
And is that for all qualified translators or is it for one specific language from one supplier doing highly technical translation?

Translators can vary massively in cost, depending on things like the languages spoken, where you are in the country, the complexity of the translation (someone able to do complex medical, legal, or technical terms costs more than a general one), one on a long term contract tends to cost a lot less than a short term or hourly contract (like most things) and of course pretty much every teacher of a second language is technically a translator and I can't remember the last time I saw a normal school teacher getting £90 an hour.
It's one of the reasons hiring bi or multilingual staff is a big thing in many countries especially parts of Europe where they have to cope with hordes of English who can't speak the language even if they've been living there for a decade or two.

I'm guessing the £90 an hour rate is for short notice emergency translators out of business hours, or for contract translators at the high end doing extremely technical work, and that most schools with children who are not native English speakers will probably try and employ staff who speak more than just English as a general thing, or be using translators on a long term contact at far less (such as bi-lingual classroom assistants).
in which case, it's probably on a par with an emergency substitute teacher or agency nurse rather than being "normal".

In fact a google suggests the average hourly wage for a translator starts at about ~£15 which is quite a long way below £90 and not far above minimum wage, whilst the average NHS interpreter gets a wage of ~£22k (below average wage) and according to Exetor university experienced translators may make more than £30k a year!
Meanwhile the government's own guidance for freelance interpreters is that they get paid £48 for the first hour then £16 an hour after that, in fact the only place I can find anything close to £90 an hour for government work is for freelance interpreters on a weekend when the government states it's £72 for the first hour, and I'm not sure how many schools are open on a weekend, I suspect not many.

So I'm a little dubious of the idea that having a translator in a school costs anything like £90 an hour on a regular basis.

Note I'm using interpreter and translator interchangeably in my post, as anyone who can do one can do the other to a degree (technically they are different specialisations), and you've not made it clear if you're talking about the written word or spoken, but I'm guessing very few schools will be using the written word specialists very often ;)
 
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So if someone legally brings their family here and the children don't speak English well, what should happen? I suppose we could oblige the family has to know a certain level of English as a whole before being granted visa's, but that seems rather obtuse enough that big employers aren't about to support it.

Looking at the Aussie system which we seem to be basing ours on, I can't find anything about any such limitations and the cost is about the same for said visa.

You obviously didn't look the Aussie system up correctly. You need to complete an English test in order to get a visa to stay in the country. It's actually a very difficult test that even native English speakers can struggle to pass with the points they want or need. They don't seem to have any issues finding overseas workers. They bring in temporary ones if needed that don't have to speak English but have no access to government resources and have to support themselves. It works very well for them and the same should happen over here. As someone who has tried to stay in New Zealand, Australia and now Canada all three countries have the English requirements. I am originally from Africa and didn't have to complete the English test to get my residency here. In my life in the UK test that I took in Plymouth anyone who couldn't speak English was given a translator that even helped them with any questions they didn't know, even though it was meant to be a test you studied for and didn't have help.
 
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They have the guy who shoot 2 police officers in Compton.

Deonte Lee Murray was already in jail for one felony count each of carjacking, second-degree robbery, and assault with a semiautomatic firearm - personal use of a firearm. The charges also included allegations of association with a criminal street gang, discharging a rifle inflicting great bodily injury, and personal use of an AR-15.

What a nice person.

Now his bail has gone from $1mil to over $6mi
 
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You need to do your home work....

"In total the NHS has spent £64.4 million on translation services in the last three financial years. This amount equates to a staggering £59k per day. Overall costs of translation are on the rise"

"Birmingham (city-wide spend) £4.9 mil" what a waste of money.

http://www.2020health.org/dms/2020health/downloads/reports/LOST-IN-TRANSLATION/LOST IN TRANSLATION.pdf

That's just the NHS...

That seems like a separate issue to your assertion that translators costed £90 an hour.

You obviously didn't look the Aussie system up correctly. You need to complete an English test in order to get a visa to stay in the country. It's actually a very difficult test that even native English speakers can struggle to pass with the points they want or need. They don't seem to have any issues finding overseas workers. They bring in temporary ones if needed that don't have to speak English but have no access to government resources and have to support themselves. It works very well for them and the same should happen over here. As someone who has tried to stay in New Zealand, Australia and now Canada all three countries have the English requirements. I am originally from Africa and didn't have to complete the English test to get my residency here. In my life in the UK test that I took in Plymouth anyone who couldn't speak English was given a translator that even helped them with any questions they didn't know, even though it was meant to be a test you studied for and didn't have help.

Fair, it was just a cursory look at the immigration websites comparing child visa's, I guess the test is implicit?
 
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So if someone legally brings their family here and the children don't speak English well, what should happen? I suppose we could oblige the family has to know a certain level of English as a whole before being granted visa's, but that seems rather obtuse enough that big employers aren't about to support it.

Looking at the Aussie system which we seem to be basing ours on, I can't find anything about any such limitations and the cost is about the same for said visa.

How about they pay privately for extra tuition outside of sending their kin to school?

If a primary or secondary teacher has to spend more of their time trying to translate their lessons or slowing the class down how do you think that will impact the achievement of everyone else in the class?

If the male children are from a typically sexust culture and refuse to work with or constantly disrepect female teachers how do you think that will impact the teachers mental health or the classroom group as a whole?
 
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So if someone legally brings their family here and the children don't speak English well, what should happen?
Application rejected!

Make it illegal. It's clearly a buyer's market for the UK, we don't have to compromise. Not one single immigrant should make this country poorer, dumber, or more dangerous.

Before you predictably start typing “wHaT AbOuT bRItISh DuMb PoEpLE”. Yes, those are our problem and we shall deal with them. When we stop importing the world’s dregs there will be more resources to deal with home-grown dregs.
 
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They have the guy who shoot 2 police officers in Compton.

Deonte Lee Murray was already in jail for one felony count each of carjacking, second-degree robbery, and assault with a semiautomatic firearm - personal use of a firearm. The charges also included allegations of association with a criminal street gang, discharging a rifle inflicting great bodily injury, and personal use of an AR-15.

What a nice person.

Now his bail has gone from $1mil to over $6mi


Not many pictures circulating of him yet.

I'm sure they will say he was a loving family man, who never hurt nobody.
 
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You need to do your home work....

"In total the NHS has spent £64.4 million on translation services in the last three financial years. This amount equates to a staggering £59k per day. Overall costs of translation are on the rise"

"Birmingham (city-wide spend) £4.9 mil" what a waste of money.

http://www.2020health.org/dms/2020health/downloads/reports/LOST-IN-TRANSLATION/LOST IN TRANSLATION.pdf

That's just the NHS...
Sorry where does that break down to £90 per hour in schools again?
 
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Sorry where does that break down to £90 per hour in schools again?


As said. That is just the nhs...please read peoples posts.

Then you have sign for every country to pay for.
Then when they try to get housing
Then when have to go any other government office.

Again as said. Agency's charge £90+

Generally, document translation prices range from £0.10 to £0.16 per word. So, if you have a 1,000-word document, it will cost between £100 and £160 for translation

There's a load more.

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Application rejected!

Make it illegal. It's clearly a buyer's market for the UK, we don't have to compromise. Not one single immigrant should make this country poorer, dumber, or more dangerous.

Before you predictably start typing “wHaT AbOuT bRItISh DuMb PoEpLE”. Yes, those are our problem and we shall deal with them. When we stop importing the world’s dregs there will be more resources to deal with home-grown dregs.

I am sure you didnt mean it that way but your comments on dealing with British dumb people has a rather sinister tone bud. Given that most studies would tend to suggest immigrants are net contributers to our society and work hard and we can hope that they pass on said hard working mindset to their children who having grown up here will have less intrinsic costs such as translation etc. There will always be exceptions to every rule of course and some immigrants will be lazy or poor workers just like said British people... If immigrants where the issue so many politicians argue they were and the daily mail harps on about...they would have fixed the whole process long ago. They have always had control of the vast majority of immigration into our country and its not like the conservatives have not been in power for long enough to do something about it if they were so inclined.
 
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I am sure you didnt mean it that way but your comments on dealing with British dumb people has a rather sinister tone bud. Given that most studies would tend to suggest immigrants are net contributers to our society and work hard and we can hope that they pass on said hard working mindset to their children who having grown up here will have less intrinsic costs such as translation etc. There will always be exceptions to every rule of course and some immigrants will be lazy or poor workers just like said British people... If immigrants where the issue so many politicians argue they were and the daily mail harps on about...they would have fixed the whole process long ago. They have always had control of the vast majority of immigration into our country and its not like the conservatives have not been in power for long enough to do something about it if they were so inclined.

Or...

If they were that positive for the country other countries would be trying to import as many immigrants as possible.

Yet japan for example is 97.8% Japanese. Maybe they just need someone to explain the benefits to them?

The problem is some politicians saw them as a quick way to grow gdp through cheaper labour, without considering all of the negative externalities.

Then of course it became unfixable due to the vast quantity of them so the voters protested as much as they could by voting for (then) UKIP and (now) Brexit.

Of course that doesn't even account for the police/authorities turning the other cheek when immigrant populations have been reported to be committing mass rape et al, either refusing to investigate due to the sensitive nature if the offenders ethnicity or just ignoring it.

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