Well I ran out of room on the thread title I thought what if satellite set top box companies like in Europe who have SKY HD, could make a new box which supports HDMI 1.4 and has quad coax inputs. Then I wonder if it's possible to send full 1080p blu-ray movies down all 4 coax cables from the satellite dish to this new set top box, would that be possible? Then another step, could you double the quality of the blu-ray movie? another step further, could you then add 3d 1080p to current quality blu-ray movies? Then add 3d 1080p while doubling the quality of blu-ray? Could this be done via satellite with a new box featuring what I have just said? Now on to the next bit I know of satellite internet, some countries have 24 mbps metered downloads. But their uploads are appalling. It takes a while to receive your email, to upload an attachment can take a lot longer. The only way you can have the best experience is if you are prepared to pay a lot of money per month. We are talking anywhere from £150-£1000 per month. So what these customers do with the cheaper system is, they use the 24mbps for downloading movies, but then use a standard 1mbps or more DSL internet connection for emails and uploading attachments. Now I have been looking into all these cloud gaming services. www.Gaikai.com www.onlive.com AMD fusion render cloud powered by OTOY software. There is now a new comer called PlayCast www.playcast-media.com which is sending video games to cable set top boxes and IPTV's via H.264 video streams. You only need a cable box that can decode h.264 videos. Very interesting, they just launched a closed beta in Israel and several hundred people are testing the system. They have plans to bring the service worldwide soon. They said that Xbox 360 and PS3 games will be on the service. I guess it will be back cataloged games. I can't see the console manufacturers putting out their latest and exclusive games onto the system. This system would work great in the UK with virgin who offer fiber optic cable services via a set top box. Virgin offer 50 mbps speeds and they have planned 200 mbps soon to offer 3d TV channels via their service. Unfortunately virgin are not in all areas of the UK yet. This is unfortunate as virgin offer their fiber optic broadband for phone calls, TV, internet browsing, downloading etc. Now I was thinking about this, for all these cloud gaming services you need a good upload speed because it works using your internet connection to send back the commands from the controller to their data center. So what I thought was, what if satellite set top box companies could offer a cloud gaming service. Your thinking, yeah but satellite uploading wouldn't work because of the poor speed compared to the down speed like I said further up. Well that's why you could send the cloud service via the satellite downstream and send the commands back via your standard internet's upload connection. You see with SKY HD they have an ethernet port on the back and this is for future internet use, when they launch their 3d TV channel they also have plans for a video on demand service like the bbci player that would work through your existing internet connection through the ethernet port. So there you go, sending controller commands shouldn't require too much bandwidth, easily achievable with half to 1 mbps upload speeds. And the satellite could send easily the downstream. Now people like gaikai will be offering 480p cloud gaming to a PC. Onlive are offering 720p to PC and TV via their micro console. I wonder if with satellite we could do full 1080p or even 1080p 3d games with that new set top box idea I mentioned at the start of this thread with the quad coax and hdmi 1.4 connection. Which would easily have enough bandwidth. Now better to this is the fact that there are people complaining that cloud internet based gaming eats your bandwidth up like crazy, not yourt upload, but people are complaining about the download. They say this wouldn'twork for most of the people in the USA who have capped download limits per month. Well then using my idea of doing it through satellite for the download part seems common sense as satellite will have much more bandwidth and satellite companies could offer unlimited monthly downlaad accounts. Even the system could work right now for 480p or 720p games. but I know SKY HD can only do 1/4 resolution blu-ray in 1080i for 2d/3d TV. So perhaps games in 1080i 2d/3d is already possible. I know there was talk of Onlive saying it's entirely possible to do their service over satellite streams. Because they would only need a box that can decode h.264 video, and SKY HD already do this for their sky movies. Gaikai which is internet based is using adobe flash for their cloud internet service for PC use. But said they plan to go to IPTV's and cable set top boxes using h.264 video streams which is the same as what PlayCast are doing as well. So as you read all that, can someone technical here answer my questions whether they think it's all possible with current technology or with my quad coax, hdmi 1.4 box setup?