Eclipse Internet - Traffic Shaping?
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Phil99 said:
I totally understand this - and while you were not to know I am actually paying more per month than the basic 8mb line to avoid this very thing
I was told when I agreed that my contention would be the 2nd best -out of 4 options I believe - that they did and yet I am still getting lousy results.
I just think its a little steep for them to charge me more money and get just as bad service
FrankJH said:
Are you on one of the business options? That should get you less contention at the exchange + at the ISP, but the 4 Eclipse levels of contention/shaping don't seem to be doing a lot at the moment, I'm on Evolution Option 3 at the moment and there's nothing to suggest people on Option 2 or 1 are getting any worse results than me.
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I'm on 8mb eclipse, the most expensive out of the 4 options, and since Friday the speeds have been all over the place. I rarely download anything in peaks hours because I don't want to take the no swearing. But where as a few weeks back I'd easily be getting 800k off Newsgroups at say 7am, now I'm managing anywhere between 50-200k. But then an hour later it'll be up to 800k again. The speeds vary like this at all times of the night and day.
Doing speed tests on various online speedcheckers, often tells me I'm only getting 1.5mb down or less. Which seems strange since I've had no probs for the first couple of months on Max, getting a stable 8mb connection within the first week.
Doing speed tests on various online speedcheckers, often tells me I'm only getting 1.5mb down or less. Which seems strange since I've had no probs for the first couple of months on Max, getting a stable 8mb connection within the first week.
Mook said:
My router is acknowledging the 8mb line also, but I just cant see that I am getting anywhere near that performance - which is a tad rich as we are paying for it
My line is completely stable though - have had a few problems with no connection but nothing major or for long
in Eclipse Connection Manager it is saying Estimated Stable Line Rate : not set
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FrankJH said:
http://usertools.plus.net/tutorials/id/27
What do you get on the test in the link above?
Being on Option 3 only cuts out a bit of contention at the ISP, you're still on the same level as everyone else at the exchange etc.
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Phil99 said:
I don't see the most inportant one there, distance for your exchange. Your sync speed decreases proportionaly to line length. I see quality of the line but this doesn't necessarily mean distance, you can have a poor quality short line because the wiring in your house for the phone lines is bad.
I'm on BT's maxDSL product and can only get 4Mb because of my line length. When my line was enabled my modem synced at 8Mb but over a day or so it dropped until it reached the maximum stable speed. The hardware in the DSLAM is designed to sync your modem up at the highest rate possible. ISP's who are taking advantage of maxDSL should inform you that after your line has been activated that there is a 10 day period where your line is monitored to check that it is stable. Your line can still adapt itself after this but it does it less often.
Deathwish said:
You can't really shape encrypted traffic because some encrypted traffic is litrally just noise (you can't even tell that it's encrypted traffic you're seeing) so their only option would be to shape everything that cannot be identified.
Hopefully this won't become widespread because as soon as an ISP starts shaping VoIP traffic we may have to get involved in all of this net neutraility stuff that they are debating in the US at the moment. Should your ISP give priority to it's own services before traffic from elsewhere, eg. an ISP may give priority for it's VoIP service over Skype.
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csmager said:
But as the line length increases the SNR drops decreasing the quality of the signal you receive. Someone who lives 10km from an exchange will not be able to get 8Mb where as someone only 1km would be able to. The longer loop the quiter the signal.
Distance is one of the many factors that contribute to line quality, but it's not the only one.
Someone with a short aluminium line that runs past a load of noise sources and has dodgy joints in every junctino box might get 1Mb. Someone with a much longer copper line that runs past no noise sources might get 8Mb.
Someone with a short aluminium line that runs past a load of noise sources and has dodgy joints in every junctino box might get 1Mb. Someone with a much longer copper line that runs past no noise sources might get 8Mb.
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csmager said:
But genrally if your getting your ADSL off an ISP buying BT Wholesale lines (most of them) which are twisted copper pairs used for POTS then one of the main factors that will determine the speed you will get is distance. Using this theory if you switch to another ISP using BT Wholesale lines you should get the same sync speed as long as it's the same ADSL technology.
RobH said:
Not always, as csmager (rightly) said.
That much is true, but it's not exclusively because of loop length.
It certainly isn't "the most important one" to consider, and your sync rate does not vary proportionately with loop length, nor attenuation.
FrankJH said:
Unfortunately not, but that test cuts Eclipse out of the loop which means that your speed issues seem to be mainly down to exchange contention (or possibly your equipment)
The annoying thing about that is BTWholesale will only consider it a "fault" if it goes sub-400Kbps, so nothing you can do about it really
Phil99 said:Unfortunately not, but that test cuts Eclipse out of the loop which means that your speed issues seem to be mainly down to exchange contention (or possibly your equipment)
The annoying thing about that is BTWholesale will only consider it a "fault" if it goes sub-400Kbps, so nothing you can do about it really
Yeah I see your point - can I discount my equipment if my router is registering the 8mb line in full, or not?
The other problem is that the BT Speedtester has a recognised fault where the values it gives are woefully inaccurate if your throughput is much more than 2Mbps.
Not. It's only reporting your sync rate.
Some routers (a Solwise did it for one) gave ATM congestion warnings in its logs, which might or might not be useful.
Not. It's only reporting your sync rate.
Some routers (a Solwise did it for one) gave ATM congestion warnings in its logs, which might or might not be useful.