Foreign call centres

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shifty_uk said:
Foreign call centres are a nightmare.

You'd think all these large companies would have enough money to get a UK based call centre.
I phoned apple the other night because my macbook broke, they put me straight through to a foreign call centre, it takes double the time for them to help you, as you can't understand a word they're saying.

Something should be done about them.

rofl, so because they make a bit of money they should pay something like 8x more to supply a UK agent?
for most companies CS is a money losing sector of the company.

half the time i cant understand the scottish or welsh CSA's that i speak to, let alone the ethnic CSAs in other UK areas (london / midlands).

what difference is there in them being in another country.
 
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Sp00n said:
I hate them.

Check this:

There is an AS/400 system which is 7 miles down the road in horsham, now in order to get the modem switched on so the admins can remote login to it we have to call a call centre which... yes you've guessed it, is in india so i have to make a phone call to a completely different country in order to have something changed which is just down the road, worst of all they can't even understand me 9 times out of 10.

Go figure.

and it costs less for the company to route you to another country than to the UK.
go figure...
 
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I agree with you Von Luck.

I buy what I believe to be uk based goods and services. I therefore expect to deal with uk based personnel who can speak proper English. (This goes for workers in call centres in the uk as well!)

It is purely about profitability and customer services be damned. It has had a small impact upon retentions for some companies but the increased revenues easily compensates for it.

I agree with you there :)

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Bar said:
I agree with you Von Luck.

I buy what I believe to be uk based goods and services. I therefore expect to deal with uk based personnel who can speak proper English. (This goes for workers in call centres in the uk as well!)

It is purely about profitability and customer services be damned. It has had a small impact upon retentions for some companies but the increased revenues easily compensates for it.
The thing is, a very large percentage of customers of large organisations like bans, utility companies etc, want a first class service but don't want to pay for it.

Take a very small-scale example - Intuit software. When Intuit reduced the suport levels that were included with their accountancy software (and this is businerss software, not home software), and put most support on a chargeab;e basis, there was a furore. But think about it. Much of that support was for people too bone=lazy to open the manual and work out the solution for themselves. Instead, they expect to be able to pick up a phone and have an expert explain it, and they want it for free. Well, the world doesn't work like that. You might be surprised how many support customers will admit that they haven't bothered the read the manual, because it's easier to pick up the phone. Fine ..... but pay for it!

As an Intuit customer, I want to pay for the software I use, and for not hand-holding for lazy idiots. And, one way or another, that support has to be for. If it isn't provided on a chargeable basis, it is either built-in to the cost of the software, or it isn't provided at all. So why should I pay, in the software cost, to support people that either aren't capable of working it out themselves, or RTFMing?

That same basic logic can be extended to utility companies. Providing support has a cost attached. Do you want higher bills, or do you want companies to try to reduce costs? Either answer is fair enough, but be aware that UK support operations have a cost attached, and it has to come from somewhere.

Personally, I hate off-shore support. I'd much rather have local support and am prepared to pay for it. Why should it be shareholders? Why not the people using it?

So would you rather have off-shore support, or local support on a chargeable basis? Because if it's local, one way or another, you are going to end up paying for it.

Perhaps you ought to regard the off-shore suppoert operations as an experiment designed to reduce costs, not just one aimed at increasing profits, because the two factors, along with customer prices, are tightly integrated. Oh, and by the way, off-shore support is an experiment slowly but increasingly seen as a failure. Good. It'll come back where it should be. Just be prepared for prices to rise to pay for it.
 
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Morba said:
and it costs less for the company to route you to another country than to the UK.
go figure...
Yes, it probably does, because by far the biggest cost attached to a call centre is staffing costs, and there is a vast disparity between UK and many foreign wage levels.

My problem isn't with the cost, but with decreasing customer support standards. If an Indian call centre could provide the standard of customer service I've been used to getting, and expect to get, then fine. Problem is, in my experience, it usually doesn't.
 
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Having thought about this more, I've realised that it's not even the fact that call centres have been outsourced abroad which gets my goat (so sorry Visage, the right-on sarcasm is going to be wasted ;)), it's outsourcing itself.

In the same way that I disagree with privatisation of core services (water, power, public transport), I also dislike the trend for organisations to longer want to take responsibility for the 'grubby' aspects of their business, like customer services.

Good customer services may not make money directly, but indirectly it contributes to the lustre of any company - which in turn must have an impact on turnover. It seems short-sighted to me to opt for short-term savings by outsourcing the work, when you would be able to deliver a more tightly integrated service by keeping things in house.
 
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Von Luck said:
In the same way that I disagree with privatisation of core services (water, power, public transport), I also dislike the trend for organisations to longer want to take responsibility for the 'grubby' aspects of their business, like customer services.

In some cases though it's all about core competences. If you are not a customer service company then why not outsource to a customer service specialist who has the experience and knowledge to deliver?

Of course the problems arise when companies want this on a shoe string.
 
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