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How much £ you need for a decent PC??

Discussion in 'General Hardware' started by ThatAsianGuy, 16 Mar 2012.

  1. ThatAsianGuy

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    When i first started to get into PC gaming, alot of people were saying i need atleast this much £££ and you have to upgrade that can cost this £££ you know the usual nonsence. Now i have been looking around and PC PARTS HAVE GONE EXTREMLY CHEAPER then what it was a year back or so.

    I just want to know for someone who wants to getinto PC gaming hat is coming from a console background how much £££ do you need and is it worth it? I spent 1.5k on my first PC that was including mouse OS Keyobad and monitor.

    reason: Im asking this because alot of my mates want to get into PC gaming and then i can send them this link and they can see what other people have to say and get it through their heads that its not that expensive considering PS3 launch was £400, and for abit more you could get a decent gaming PC.

    Edit: Spec a good gaming PC for today standards that will last a year or so without any upgrades, with reason why you chose those parts? keyboard OS and mouse included
     
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  2. 95thrifles

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    I'd say half that will get you a decent system incl OS, monitor, peripherals etc
     
  3. ThatAsianGuy

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    £700?? Lets set a standard, this PC needs to play most games good settigns at 1080p 60FPS? they dont want a bugdet PC but they dont want a high end one they just want a decent PC that can play at very good/ good looking settings
     
  4. Mercutio

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    If you need EVERYTHING inc screen etc etc then something around £800 would likely cover you nicely with the general "prefered" setup of i5 2500k + board, ram, decent graphics card (like a GTX560ti or GTX570) and all the other gubbins.
     
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  6. numatic.nathan

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    Only thing I'd change is the GPU, I think a GTX480 would be miles better and it's just under £10 extra :)
     
  7. ThatAsianGuy

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    The CPU is rubbish, 2500k is better, apart from that thats a good build but no ssd ?
     
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  9. MORE SPEED

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    i get atleast 30 fps at 1080p on my crappy old
    amdx6 1055t
    4gb ram
    gtx 460 1gb (only thing really holding me back for gaming)

    i reckon you could easily go 1080p 60fps for 600 or be very close to 60fps in most games (not including os)
     
  11. 95thrifles

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    Eh? Not even remotely, its worse

    Its arguable, the 480 has a bit more grunt, but not that much more, but produces a lot more heat and noise, I had this dilemma a year to year and half ago myself, deciding between the two cards, and I opted for cool n quiet over raw power

    As I said it can be done for less, as morespeed has done i3 and 6850, it depends where you set the benchmark of a decent starting set up
     
  12. MORE SPEED

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    The 2550k is pretty much a 2500k with a dodgy IGP which has received a 100Mhz bump to make up for it.
     
  13. Holbroom

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    Dont know why anybody would spend the extra cash on a 2550 when a 2500 is just as good, price/performance, best bang for buck.
     
  14. IvanDobskey

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    And who cares about 100mhz as anyone buying a 2500K will be clocking it anyway :p

    The 2550K is just a 2500K with a knackered iGPU that intel have given an extra 100mhz out of the box to try and tempt people who don't know any better.
     
  15. 95thrifles

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    Yes the 2550K doesnt have the iGPU but I doubt anyone building a gaming system is going to miss it, also the few reports of the 2550K show it clocking higher on less voltage, possibly due to the absence of the iGPU (speculation not fact), plus its actually cheaper, so a chip with the potential to clock better but lacking a function youre unlikely to need/use for less money is bad how exactly?

    Granted there arent too many reports on its clocking as of yet, but still
     
  16. IvanDobskey

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    The 2550K does have an iGPU, it's just faulty so intel have disabled it and then upped the frequency by 100mhz to try and shift them. It will clock to exactly the same speed as a 2500K, because it is a 2500K ;)

    Ok, so I don't actually use my iGPU as I have a GTX480. But if my 480 decides to bite the dust, I have a backup and can still use my PC whilst waiting for a new card to be delivered ;)
     
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  17. 95thrifles

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    As I said, initial reports seem to suggest they clock higher with lower volts, POSSIBLY because the iGPU has been disabled there's less going through the chip (instruction wise) that's speculation on my part but if you do a quick google you'll see they do clock higher at lower volts
    Not a lot in it n I don't think anyone would be overly concerned if they went for the other option
     
  18. IvanDobskey

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    It makes me laugh that intel are charging slightly more money for the 2550K when it's actually just a defective 2500K though :p
     
  19. honosuseri

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    But the IGP is used by quicksync. This really does help reduce waiting times when encoding video providing the software can support it. Infact quicksync is much better than cuda so you can't even say by having a dedicated GPU that will get round it.

    The 2500K is still a great CPU for OC'ing had the 2550K been much cheaper I would be inclined to agree with you but seeing as it is essentially a duff 2500K.....i'll pass.

    If your coming from a console background you can indeed build a rig that could quite happily live next to a HDTV (save the expense of a monitor). If you owned an xbox the pads are compatible with PCs too ;)

    I'd consider this a good base to build from.....

    YOUR BASKET
    1 x Intel Core i5-2500K 3.30GHz (Sandybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor - Retail £175.99
    1 x EVGA GeForce GTX 460 Superclocked 1024MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card £127.99
    1 x Gigabyte Z68MA-D2H Intel Z68 (Socket 1155) DDR3 MicroATX Motherboard £104.98
    1 x Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-Bit - OEM (GFC-02050) £79.98
    1 x Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 500GB SATA 6Gb/s 16MB Cache - OEM (ST500DM002) £61.99
    1 x Zalman Z9 Plus Tower Case with Fan Controller - Black £52.99
    1 x OCZ ZS Series 550W '80 Plus Bronze' Power Supply £46.98
    1 x Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (BLS2CP4G3D1609DS1S00CEU) £31.19
    1 x Sony Optiarc AD-7280S 24x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £15.98
    Total : £713.08 (includes shipping : £12.50).

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    Case has plenty of fans and cool lil features for a budget case. The extra fans will help with trying to overclock (4ghz let's say) on the retail heatsink.

    Mobo can run two GPUs from either AMD or nvidia, the PSU can certainly handle 2 460s or 6850s (ideally you want to be paying much less for the 2nd GPU, second hand possibly).

    That 460 can OC to the F.T.W edition clocks, it's nigh on 6870 performance with cuda support added as well. Money permitting you ideally want a 2GB 560ti or 6950 but they are £200 cards....games are beginning to ask more than 1GB of VRAM this will quickly become the norm i expect.

    It's worth mentioning that the nexbox is rumoured to be using the 6670 GPU (£50 to us now). Anything we will spec will be much more capable than a console that isn't even released yet if these rumours are true. Your friends just need to get their head round the fact that even if they lower GFX settings on the PC to run games it will still outshine the consoles......after all the xbox and 360 are just "gimped" computers with their own OS (the dashboard) which is meant to make using the "PC" less daunting.

    If you look at the preview for windows 8 you can see that MS is trying make mobile/tablet, console and PC a more unified experience.....the metro UI looks very similar on each. I do believe it's even possible to take control of your xbox through the PC with the new OS.

    There are many many ways to swing the build depending on budget and what the end user might want from the system.....after all that's the beauty of building your own rig, making it your own. I may have spent more than is strictly speaking necessary on some components but that was to provide upgrade solutions.

    Hope this thread helps your friends see the light. Oh and yes i have owned a PS3 and have a couple of 360s. My AMD X2 555BE (it does unlock to an X4) and a EVGA 460 clocked to 900mhz in my HTPC isn't what i'd call a great gaming system but BF3 looks much better on it than the xbox 360.