Soldato
I'm not talking about using that kind of tactic. I'm talking about investing in game developers so that there's more top games out there that don't do that kind of thing.
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Ian McNaughton goes out against The Way it's Meant to be Played
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Soldato
This about sums it all up, what more proof do you need?
If it worked in the Demo & not in the retail version it must have been done on purpose so that Nvidia Cards had an advantage.
It's probally the developers doing, but they might come back & say well Nvidia paid us to have control of the features . . . . now that will be interesting as the EU will EAT Nvidias money just like Intel's. :
I'll get some pics if you like... tho I'd rather not waste my time...
I wasn't demanding evidence my question was rhetorical - something that seems to be lost on you I've noticed in the past.
"normal" settings and a dual core CPU aren't exactly good indicators of anything with physx... too many variables.
That's like you going to MacDonald & having to pay an extra fee to ensure that your BidMac has not been phlegmd in.
Running not running near 100% on both core doesnt mean its not taking full advantage of your cpu, infact that looks like its quite a lot of your CPU compaired to most games. Maybe if your compairing it to benchmarking, but its not a benchmark is it.
This about sums it all up, what more proof do you need?
If it worked in the Demo & not in the retail version it must have been done on purpose so that Nvidia Cards had an advantage.
It's probally the developers doing, but they might come back & say well Nvidia paid us to have control of the features . . . . now that will be interesting as the EU will EAT Nvidias money just like Intel's. :
I'm still holding off a final comment on this ... but from testing with my nVidia setup I get wildly varied benchmark results each time I run it so I hope they didn't just run off a couple of benchmarks and come to this conclusion about performance, heres my results:
Forced 16x AA: 14/279/54 (min/max/avg)
Forced 16x AA: 20/160/52
Ingame 16x AA: Crash
Ingame 16x AA: Crash
Forced 4x AA: 28/78/54
Forced 4x AA: 28/159/56
Ingame 4x AA: 27/80/55
Ingame 4x AA: 26/89/54
Pretty odd results even on an nVidia card.
Soldato
ATI do help games developers, but when they do they do it in a way so everyone benefits, not just themselves. That's how it should be.
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1331108&postcount=1355
http://aten-hosted.com/images/batmanaa.jpg
Can't get any comparison pics which show it better atm coz my check point is a boss fight... don't think he'll leave me alone while I take some screenshots
Can't get any comparison pics which show it better atm coz my check point is a boss fight... don't think he'll leave me alone while I take some screenshots
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Doesn't surprise me. nVidia have finally lost it.
http://aten-hosted.com/images/batmanaa.jpg
Can't get any comparison pics which show it better atm coz my check point is a boss fight... don't think he'll leave me alone while I take some screenshots
Where is the source to where that pic came from, because it has to be independent source, other tasks can be loading the CPU.
Oh please I've got nothing better to do than fake up screen shots
... whos to say the people making the alternative claim aren't faking it???EDIT: Oh and the blacked out areas aren't extra tasks or anything sinister - I'd be more subtle than that if I was faking it up - just covering things that are covered by NDA.
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Whats the problem here. Really I mean Nvidia have invested a lot of time/money into their TWIMTBP program for quite a few years now and obviously they will optimise or configure for their cards only as thats why they invested the money in the first place DOH!!!
ATI really need to stop bitching and do the same but wait this is the same ATI who despite making the best graphics hardware for the last year refuse to put as much effort as Nvidia into their drivers let alone a dedicated game dev sponsor program in return for advertising.
If ATI had a bigger,better,faster drivers team with the same resource as Nvidia they would dominate and Nvidia would be in danger of going out of business. I had to reluctantly get rid of my ATI cards last year as I got so fed up with all the driver related issues some took months to get fixed even on recent games so I just ditched them and went for inferior Nvidia hardware just to have less hassle and spend more time gaming instead of waiting for ATI hotfixes (bluray playback was particular bad as ATI update their HDCP keys every month yet Nvidia give you a 2-3 month certificate).
Why on earth the people who run ATI cannot see this is a real eye opener
as they have the hardware to dominate their rival but not the drivers/dev support 
DOH!!!ATI really need to stop bitching and do the same but wait this is the same ATI who despite making the best graphics hardware for the last year refuse to put as much effort as Nvidia into their drivers let alone a dedicated game dev sponsor program in return for advertising.
If ATI had a bigger,better,faster drivers team with the same resource as Nvidia they would dominate and Nvidia would be in danger of going out of business. I had to reluctantly get rid of my ATI cards last year as I got so fed up with all the driver related issues some took months to get fixed even on recent games so I just ditched them and went for inferior Nvidia hardware just to have less hassle and spend more time gaming instead of waiting for ATI hotfixes (bluray playback was particular bad as ATI update their HDCP keys every month yet Nvidia give you a 2-3 month certificate).
Why on earth the people who run ATI cannot see this is a real eye opener
as they have the hardware to dominate their rival but not the drivers/dev support
Soldato
I'm sorry but why don't Nvidia let their hardware do the talking instead of paying developers to develop specifically for their hardware? Their hardware is always on par or above so I don't see why the should have to cripple the software/engine aspects for ATi users.
Whats the problem here. Really I mean Nvidia have invested a lot of time/money into their TWIMTBP program for quite a few years now and obviously they will optimise or configure for their cards only as thats why they invested the money in the first place
ATI really need to stop bitching and do the same but wait this is the same ATI who despite making the best graphics hardware for the last year refuse to put as much effort as Nvidia into their drivers let alone a dedicated game dev sponsor program in return for advertising.
If ATI had a bigger,better,faster drivers team with the same resource as Nvidia they would dominate and Nvidia would be in danger of going out of business. I had to reluctantly get rid of my ATI cards last year as I got so fed up with all the driver related issues some took months to get fixed even on recent games so I just ditched them and went for inferior Nvidia hardware just to have less hassle and spend more time gaming instead of waiting for ATI hotfixes (bluray playback was particular bad as ATI update their HDCP keys every month yet Nvidia give you a 2-3 month certificate).
Why on earth the people who run ATI cannot see this is a real eye opener
There is a difference to paying for support & paying for sabotage.
I love ATI's big contribution... tessellation... which in most cases you have to slow the game down and turn on wireframe to notice the difference... a feature almost no one has been asking for...
I don't deny it has some benefits and I'm quite a fan of polygon smoothing myself - but its hardly a ground breaking feature or something we couldn't move forward without.
I don't deny it has some benefits and I'm quite a fan of polygon smoothing myself - but its hardly a ground breaking feature or something we couldn't move forward without.
That is a bit worrying - but its nVidia for you
cutting off their nose to spite their face.
I noticed the difference & yet you tell people to look closely to how things move with physx because they don't notice physx moving things any better than other methods.
Soldato
That is a bit worrying - but its nVidia for you
Must cost them a lot which could be used for more purposeful developments. But they're loaded as it is so I don't think it bothers them.
