IED - 2 Terrorists - 0

[Glaucus]

OOPpps but don't you mean

Ied 2 - terrorists 77

 

[Tefal]

how do they kill more of their own people than the british army? and when did the Taliban kill their own civilians?

Pretty much since they gained power till the present day.

recently they decided to cut the fingers off anyone who voted...

Not to mention the suicide bombings and car bombings.

 

[BiGT-]

Cut fingers off anyone who voted? so there are loads of fingerless afghans walking around? it was 2 people.

 

[Tefal]

Cut fingers off anyone who voted? so there are loads of fingerless afghans walking around? it was 2 people.

You can bet it would have been a whole lot more if it wern;t for the massivly incresed security at the time.

they did threaten to do it to anyone they found.


Right so are you now just ignoring all the car bombings suicide bombings and general killing of Afghan civilians by the Taliban or are you sticking to

and when did the Taliban kill their own civilians?

Not to mention the killings while they where in power.

 

[Hitman_Leon]

And this was written 11 years since, they seem to have gotten worse since then.

Women's Alliance for Peace and Human Rights in Afghanistan (WAPHA), 2 September 1998

Women's Alliance for Peace and Human Rights in Afghanistan (WAPHA) condemns the Taliban for the detention, torture, and killing of the ethnic groups in northern Afghanistan. Although the Taliban have not allowed Journalists or independent human rights agencies into the area, there have been many reports of mass executions and mass arrests of Afghan ethnics. They have especially targeted the Hazara communities.

According to various news sources the Hazara are singled out by the Taliban and men, women, and children are either placed in camps, killed, imprisoned, or they have disappeared. According to the BBC news on 9/1/98, the BBC correspondent in the region has stated that there are reports that around 4, 000 people had been killed in the capture of the city of Mazar-i-Sharif. The BBC further reports that anyone found on the streets on the first day after the city was captured, had been shot. On the following days after the Taliban's occupation of the northern areas, they have carried out systematic house searches. In these searches, they have killed people in whose houses they have found weapons. The BBC also reports that in one family several male members of the family were shot to death. The women of the family kept the decomposing bodies inside the house for several days because they were too afraid to go outside to bury their dead.

Reports have been made to WAPHA by several individuals that ethnic women and children are kept in camps near the border of Pakistan, while the men are either killed or transported to unknown areas. The same individuals also have reported to WAPHA that Uzbek, Tajik and Hazara women and girls are being sold in Pakistan by the Taliban militia.

Since the Taliban invasion of the country, they have continued to commit ethnic genocide in Afghanistan; they have continued to displace internally and externally hundreds of thousands of ethnic people from their homes, villages and cities. Thousands of other ethnic people are either in the Taliban's concentration camps, or havedisappeared.

The Taliban have implemented gender apartheid policies in Afghanistan that have lead to starvation,malnutrition and disease among women and children. There are reports that women and children in Kabulare suffering from severe forms psychological disorder and depression. There are reports that some women in Kabul commitsuicide either to escape witnessing their children starve to death or to escape "living" under the Taliban rule. Since the Taliban have banned women from work, and their are 50 to 60 thousands widows in the city of Kabul alone, children have become the only bread earners for their families. Boys and girls as young as eight and nine years old, beg and/or sell their bodies in the street in order to provide food for their families. There are forced marriages of young girls ages eight to nine to the Taliban militia. Young boys are forced by the Taliban militia to fight in the Afghan internal arm conflict. ""

""The Taliban have turned Afghanistan into the center for international illegal drug and arms trafficking. The sacred Afghan soil has become soiled by Taliban and Pakistan by turning it into training camps for theinternational terrorists. The terrorists are unleashed to inflict terror and death not only on the people of Afghanistan but on the people of the world as well. ""

""Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and the Taliban's tyranny of terror in Afghanistan must be stopped. The Taliban's brutal regime, who has no conception of the Islamic and international laws, who has no respect for human dignity and rights, must not be recognized by the international body. The Taliban oppressive regime who commits genocide, war crimes, crimes against humanity, and aggression against the people of Afghanistan must not be recognized by the United Nations. ""

""We appeal to the United Nations to start an immediate investigation of the Taliban's crimes in the north ofAfghanistan. We appeal to the United Nations and the United States to urge the Taliban to allow independent human rights agencies to investigate and monitor human rights violations in all areas under the Taliban's occupation. The United Nations, The United States and the International community must hold the Taliban accountable for all the crimes they have committed and continue to commit in Afghanistan. ""

""[There follows an appeal for support in the form of a letter writing campaign] ""

So they are hardly the saviours of the afghan people from the crusading NATO forces of evil.

 

[Stolly]

Stolly you're the muppet, you act as if you are in Afghanistan and know whats happening over there, its an islamic state, they are not imposing sharia law on people who dont want it, this is not UK, they already have the sharia law, the sharia law does not say anything about forbiding girls from school either, so dont say it like that is the reason they are doing it, I have no idea why they are doing so I wont comment on it, the taliban are extremists but they should not be called terrorist because they are defending there country.

How do you know they are hiding Osama Bin Laden? this is all coming from the media, you believe anything you read or watch on TV.

Defending which country ? Because they don't recognise the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan.

The point, that you seem to be wilfully ignoring is that the Taliban enforce an extreme brand of Islam and Sharia on its victims, it may not be the flavour of Islam that other people follow, but to them its the right one. They do prevent girls from going to school. They prevent them from doing much of anything.

Osama was in Afghanistan prior to 2001, he was even interviewed by a Western TV crew. Thats a fact.

 

[BiGT-]

Ok I never said anything about me defending the Taliban about killing inocent people such as cutting the fingers off 2 voters or killing girls for going to school, of course that is wrong but categorizing people defending their country and calling them Terrorists is what I was arguing about, but I guess to you anyone who defends themselves/fights against America or Britian are terrorists right?

Lets say Osama is in Afghanistan, do you really think he set up the 9/11 bombings? do you think thats the reason why America and Britian has invaded Afghanistan? or do you really think they are there to help the Afghanistani people?

 

[Tefal]

Ok I never said anything about me defending the Taliban about killing inocent people such as cutting the fingers off 2 voters or killing girls for going to school, of course that is wrong but categorizing people defending their country and calling them Terrorists is what I was arguing about, but I guess to you anyone who defends themselves/fights against America or Britian are terrorists right?

what?

You're saying that terrorising your own people by threatening, mutilating and killing them is not terrorism?

How are they defending Afghanistan from NATO by killing innocent Afghans?

if they fought solely against the NATO forces then they would be militants but they don't they kill Afghan civilians more than anything else.

 

[Stolly]

We should leave immediately and let them get on with the important business of building a 9th century islamic paradise where they can slaughter they own people in the name of Allah.

Seriously.

 

[BiGT-]

So those IED's where for their own people?

 

[Tefal]

So those IED's where for their own people?

They're for whoever comes along first.

Civilians bore much of the brunt of the violence with 20 killed when vehicles detonated roadside bombs.

Among a series of incidents, six people were killed by a roadside bomb in the Maiwand district of Kandahar and 14 more died when their vehicle hit a bomb in neighbouring Uruzgan province.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...Taliban-killed-after-ambush-on-US-troops.html

 

[Stolly]

So those IED's where for their own people?

We don't know, we do know that ANA people have been the targets of bombings.

Also police, politicians, tribal elders who defy them and who knows what else.

Here's a question for you.

In the Swat valley, where there are no NATO troops, the Taliban have killed hundreds of people.

Why are they killing people in the name of defending Afghanistan against the NATO crusader, in Pakistan where there are no NATO troops ?

 

[BiGT-]

So they said "lets puts this right here and see who comes along"?
There intentions where obviously to get NATO soldiers.

 

[PiKe]

I hope the people planting it died an agonizing death.

 

[Stolly]

So they said "lets puts this right here and see who comes along"?
There intentions where obviously to get NATO soldiers.

Their intentions were obviously to get NATO soldiers.

They use the same tactics in Pakistan. Who are they defending Pakistan against ? Pakistanis ?

 

[uber soldat]

lol epic win

 

[BiGT-]

The only reason I started arguing was so you can stop calling people who defend their country against intruders "Terrorist", do you call anyone from Iraq a terrorist too?

 

[Stolly]

The only reason I started arguing was so you can stop calling people who defend their country against intruders "Terrorist", do you call anyone from Iraq a terrorist too?

So the same Taliban who kill Pakistani soldiers in Pakistan are terrorists or not ? Will you let us call them terrorists ? What country are they defending ?

When they walk over the border and do the same thing against Italian troops for example what country are they defending ?

Where is this country of Talibanistan ?

 

[Hitman_Leon]

We should leave immediately and let them get on with the important business of building a 9th century islamic paradise where they can slaughter they own people in the name of Allah.

Seriously.

In one way you get a +1 for that,

Its important to recognise that the majority of these people do seem to want to be helped by the outside world and in another way they can't ever be helped as every village and town is dominated by a local mullah or tribal chief who will never allow "his" people to break free from the middle age's and brutal way of life. Any alliance with NATO or anyone else for that matter is usually a marriage of convienience that offers the local powers some kind of advantage for a short time over aincient enemies or lines their pockets until the wind changes and they swap allegiance once again to the highest bidder.

 

[Tefal]

The only reason I started arguing was so you can stop calling people who defend their country against intruders "Terrorist", do you call anyone from Iraq a terrorist too?

So please tell us what do you call someone who threatens, terrorises and kills the people they are "defending"?