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In a few mins you will have a chance to grab a 6800 or 3060Ti

Discussion in 'Graphics Cards' started by Gibbo, 3 Dec 2020.

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  1. reddevilet

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    it's 10am and some 3070 and 6900xt still up for ordering. At this pricing.. it reminds me of a quote from great movie ''Margin Call'', here it is: https://youtu.be/acbnyagl8jo?t=262
     
  2. Martini1991

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    Location: Dormanstown.

    I've said multiple times, there's only finite demand.
    That said, these aren't in the normal location to buy.
     
  3. JediFragger

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    You guys are mad, as soon as they hit the normal stock section they'll be insta-gone!
     
  4. chanjy

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    They are still easily searchable so I think the message is that there’s only a certain price people are willing to pay. Good though, shows an equilibrium can be achieved
     
  5. fs123

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    Yes, alot of the discord trackers probably search the gpu section on a site so can't easily find them if they are listed in a different section. Most of the trackers I checked did not list the OCUK stock at all. Only one tracker did but that seemed to be added manually by someone who got the heads up from reddit.

    Even then I suspect most gamers and miners will have their limits. No sensible miner will buy a gpu for over £1000 since the breakeven point will take ages.
     
  6. doody

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    Ordered Sapphire Radeon RX 6800 NITRO+ OC says awaiting payment status how long will this take:p:rolleyes:
     
  7. Scotia_Steve

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    Hi guys new to the form, been watching for weeks to get a 3060ti turns out I was watching the wrong thread I was watching
    OcUK NVIDIA RTX 30XX SERIES UPDATE THREAD ON DELIVERIES & HOW TO CANCEL YOUR ORDER!
    Then noticed this thread instead feel like a dumbass and I've just missed out as well, so I'll be keeping an eye on this one from now on, I hear next chance will be Wednesday?
     
  8. Jimbo

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    Dont worry about it youll get a decent chance next week. And welcome to the forums. :)
     
  9. Xereo

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    Dang missed out on the 3060ti as only saw the stock list today
     
  10. Scotia_Steve

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    Thanks looking forward to upgrading from my rx 570
     
  11. michty_me

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    Most of the discord channels are aware but the general consensus was priced too high.
    One channel has temporarily removed OCUK due to pricing.
     
  12. Martini1991

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    I don't know how anyone could stomach the 3070 prices.
     
  13. michty_me

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    I guess that's down to what some users are willing to pay, it was RRP or nada from me.
     
  14. danlightbulb

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    Accepting the fact that AIBs cant reach the MSRP (which i think is a load of rubbish but still), the AIBs in my view are around £100 too much. MSRP plus about 10-20% would be a reasonable range, but we're generally seeing about MSRP plus 40-60%.


    3060 TI MSRP = £370. AIB should be maybe mid £400's, instead they are mid £500's.
    3070 MSRP = £470. AIB should be maybe mid to high £500's, instead they are mid to high £600's.
     
  15. michty_me

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    Yeah I would say so.
    As long as everyone is happy with their purchase I guess. Everyone has their own limits but for some the cost doesn't matter as long as it is in hand. I'm just tight!
     
  16. chrcoluk

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    The MSRP is different for every SKU.

    It is only £650 for the 3080 FE
    MSI Gaming X trio RRP £739
    Gigabyte Eagle OC £749

    and so on up until Asus TUF at £830.

    Those in my opinion are the absolute lowest prices you would see those cards at without any retailer markups. Which is why I have always said its not all retailer markups, some of it is partner side.
     
  17. chanjy

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    Strix at £830 maybe

    Another site are selling the TUF for £720 and the TUF OC at £750
     
  18. danlightbulb

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    If MSI says their RRP is £739, then that already includes their own reasonable profit margin plus reasonable distribution and retail margins. Its around £100 more than FE, or plus about 10-20%, exactly where abouts it should be.

    The Asus TUF at £830 is high in comparison to MSI or Gigabyte, but then that's sort of ok, because its always been the case that Asus are more expensive. I don't think there is anything particular about their line up that causes that difference, they just class themselves as a more premium brand so charge more.


    So are the prices we're seeing now, which are another £100-£200 on top of those AIB rrp's, completely opportunistic? Whether that is the AIBs, the distributers or the retailers taking that opportunity, who knows. I think its more likely to be distributor or retailer side though, but there is probably competition between retailers and distributors to get stock so the AIBs might be taking advantage of that who knows.


    If the price increases we're seeing represent genuine increases to costs, for example more expensive shipping, then its justifiable. BUt if they don't, then really its exploitation, because the margins were perfectly fine for those businesses to make a profit on before, and now they've upped them just because they can.

    If this happened to your water or energy bills, people would not be happy. Obviously a GPU isn't an essential product, but at the moment we're still seeing failure of a competitive market to drive value for consumers.
     
  19. chrcoluk

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    ok that puts what I said to bed lol. Although I still think official pricing for the AIB cards is at least a bit higher than the FE, it always has been for every generation.
     
  20. noisecrime

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    While I respect those who are commenting about getting MSRP or not buying and that up until yesterday I was one of those, it dawned on me that it is highly likely we will never see MSRP prices for these cards and that the current mark-ups are here to stay. I'll explain my reasoning below, but the main point i'd like to make is that if you were like me and playing the waiting game because cards were £50-£100 more than your personal limit ( either morally or financially ) then I'm afraid you'll not going to be getting a card for at least 3-6 months maybe longer, maybe not even this generation, with the one exception of being lucky and bagging a FE or finding a store that isn't marking up and beating the bots. Though honestly if you were going to get lucky, wouldn't that have happened already?

    Please note i'm not telling anyone to buy at inflated prices, just a word of caution that I realized waiting another month or two or more for the sake of saving £50-£100 was just no longer worth it as i'd easily get back that value in use of the card for that period. For other people that point will be at different prices and this really only applies to 3060ti as other cards are even more inflated!

    For example, yesterday I begrudgingly purchased the Zotac 3060ti for £500, way over what my limit was when these cards were first released, but that limit was from two months back. While you can find some stores selling at £50-£100 cheaper than ocuk, I actually tried ordering two at 5am this morning when they popped up and was still beaten to them by other people or bots. Sure if i'd got them i would have been unhappy paying the price for the Zotac, but as I didn't and have never even got close to buying any card in the last 3 months it just seems like i'm wasting more of my time, which can easily add up to be worth more than the premium I paid here ( not that i'm happy about the premium ).

    This morning I also had a look at a famous auction site and to my surprise i'm finding average price for a 3060ti is about £650!. There are some items for less but they have days left of bidding on them and of course there were a whole bunch of photo's being sold too! I didn't watch anything specific so no idea if they are actually 'sold' at those prices, but point is for 3060's at least second hand market is still way more than the prices here and shows just how high the price can go.

    The problem is we are in a perfect storm we have so many new consumer electronics coming out at the same time, in a year where global manufacturing and shipments have taken a hammering due to pandemic. I keep reading about companies complaining that a container of goods used to cost £1700 and now costs £10,000. In the UK we've of course had Brexit and that has led to all sorts of problems, increased costs, delays etc and since they never bothered to sort it out before the problems I don't see them sorting it out too quickly now. Not to mention the mining boom and other demands on supply. Then there is actual demand, driven in gpu market i'd say be lacklusture 2000 series and people holding onto old cards for longer, mixed in with some people having more disposable income as they haven't gone on holiday and all the money saved not going out over the last year.

    This in my mind means extremely high demand, coupled with greater amount of disposable income, yet with less stock being manufactured and shipped. Sadly this will only be addressed once supply increases or demand drops and its here that I've come to realized we are in for many more months of this as there is no signs of it changing. At this point i'd even argue that its likely not going to happen before the end of the year at least in the UK as there are too many factors to resolve quickly. Sure we might all be vaccinated come late summer, but that will only be the start of the process back to normality it will take months to actually happen.

    I mean prices seem to go up quickly in high demand/low supply situations, but i get the feeling they wont drop back anywhere near as quick, not unless supply grows massively and manufactures/distributors/shops need to clear there warehouses.

    So sure if you want or need to hold on to a MSRP or lower limit go ahead, you might get lucky, but to do so you'll have to invest a large amount of your time. I just realized my time is worth more than the premium we are currently seeing and that I suspect we will not see any changes back to normality for many months if at all.

    I will add whilst i'm impressed with how well ocuk apparently managed to distribute these cards to genuine customers due to holding onto stock, it has left a sour taste in my mouth that they seem to have added a premium on top of the price they would have paid to get them as they have had many 100's or 1000's of cards for weeks even a month. They are of course free to do what they want but its definitely lowered my opinion.
     
    Last edited: 23 Jan 2021
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