Islamaphobia Legislation (UK)

Hagar · 2 May 2019 at 14:50

Lets just call me Islamosceptic along with all my other scepticisms relating to religious belief. I have no irrational fear or hatred of Islam nor of any other religion, I just have a massive dose of scepticism about direction of travel with the proposed regulation and the foundation of religion which is largely based on obtaining and holding power over ordinary peoples lives.

sinwave · 2 May 2019 at 15:04

just watched a robinson in palestine video. gist of it was that aid money is going to terrorists rather than people on the ground, had a little kick about with the palestinian kids. i'm probably on a government watch list now.

StriderX · 2 May 2019 at 15:25

sinwave said:
just watched a robinson in palestine video. gist of it was that aid money is going to terrorists rather than people on the ground, had a little kick about with the palestinian kids. i'm probably on a government watch list now.

Something that Israel wants to justify their policies. But whatever you believe what you want, you’ll do so regardless.

sinwave · 2 May 2019 at 15:36

StriderX said:
Something that Israel wants to justify their policies. But whatever you believe what you want, you’ll do so regardless.

is he preventing anyone from demonstrating that the aid money doesn't go to terrorists or explaining why the money is or isn't going where he was filming?

Roar87 · 2 May 2019 at 15:44

sinwave said:
just watched a robinson in palestine video. gist of it was that aid money is going to terrorists rather than people on the ground, had a little kick about with the palestinian kids. i'm probably on a government watch list now.

What an insidious little racist that man is loool

ANDREW GREEN · 2 May 2019 at 15:50

sinwave said:
is he preventing anyone from demonstrating that the aid money doesn't go to terrorists or explaining why the money is or isn't going where he was filming?

The issue is it's unbalanced and he cherry picks information. Is that where the majority of the aid goes? How does that compare to the Billions of Aid that Israel spends on weapons?

Did you know that Israeli government papers released show that it's their government policy to ensure less food gets to the Palestinian people than their daily calories recomended allowance. So it's government policy to literally starve the Palestinian people. Not to mention barring all manner of medicenes. Why doesn't Tommy Robinson put those factoids in his documentary? Because he's biased and trying to tarr Muslim peoples. That's his whole remit.

Roar87 · 2 May 2019 at 15:52

ANDREW GREEN said:
The issue is it's unbalanced and he cherry picks information. Is that where the majority of the aid goes? How does that compare to the Billions of Aid that Israel spends on weapons?

Did you know that Israeli government papers released show that it's their government policy to ensure less food gets to the Palestinian people than their daily calories recomended allowance. So it's government policy to literally starve the Palestinian people. Not to mention barring all manner of medicenes. Why doesn't Tommy Robinson put those factoids in his documentary? Because he's biased and trying to tarr Muslim peoples. That's his whole remit.

Why aren't you also commenting on the bias shown within other media while you're criticising Tommy Robinson? You must hate white working class people.

You could actually answer all these questions yourself by watching his Oxford union speech but you won't do that because you've already made your made mind up

ANDREW GREEN · 2 May 2019 at 16:21

Roar87 said:
Why aren't you also commenting on the bias shown within other media while you're criticising Tommy Robinson? You must hate white working class people.

You could actually answer all these questions yourself by watching his Oxford union speech but you won't do that because you've already made your made mind up

No because working class does not equate to racist shitstirrers. I've listened to enough of Steven Lennon but don't need to listen to him twisting of facts to know what he is. There's a reason he only focuses on Muslims and no one else ever and it's because he's trying to stir up hatred towards them.

Actually it's absolutely laughable to claim Tommy Robinson is representing the working class while he represents one of the countries most right wing parties who's policy is to do away with the NHS and other public services. Before that he was funded by very wealthy far right supporters to carry out media work.

Roar87 · 2 May 2019 at 16:26

ANDREW GREEN said:
No because working class does not equate to racist shitstirrers. I've listened to enough of Steven Lennon but don't need to listen to him twisting of facts to know what he is. There's a reason he only focuses on Muslims and no one else ever and it's because he's trying to stir up hatred towards them.

Actually it's absolutely laughable to claim Tommy Robinson is representing the working class while he represents one of the countries most right wing parties who's policy is to do away with the NHS and other public services. Before that he was funded by very wealthy far right supporters to carry out media work.

Not watched his speech then? How's the echo chamber?

sinwave · 2 May 2019 at 16:28

ANDREW GREEN said:
The issue is it's unbalanced and he cherry picks information. Is that where the majority of the aid goes? How does that compare to the Billions of Aid that Israel spends on weapons?

the video I saw didn't mention israel. as far As I've seen none of his platform is based on antisemitism, so I can't see why he would consider expending resource on reporting Israel's activities.

Did you know that Israeli government papers released show that it's their government policy to ensure less food gets to the Palestinian people than their daily calories recomended allowance. So it's government policy to literally starve the Palestinian people. Not to mention barring all manner of medicenes. Why doesn't Tommy Robinson put those factoids in his documentary? Because he's biased and trying to tarr Muslim peoples. That's his whole remit.

so like an inverse siege? starving the people outside the wall. that's a bold strategy, cotton.

ANDREW GREEN · 2 May 2019 at 16:32

Roar87 said:
Not watched his speech then? How's the echo chamber?

I've listened to plenty of his rants and yes he doesn't come across as overtly racist because he isn't that stupid. I've explained what he does and I've asked why he only reports the crimes of Muslims and other immigrants. I await an answer from you and I doubt one is forthcoming.

ANDREW GREEN · 2 May 2019 at 16:33

sinwave said:
the video I saw didn't mention israel. as far As I've seen none of his platform is based on antisemitism, so I can't see why he would consider expending resource on reporting Israel's activities.

so like an inverse siege? starving the people outside the wall. that's a bold strategy, cotton.

It's called creating a balanced reporting where you show the reality of a situation from both sides.

Also why are you under the delusion that reporting Israel's war crimes is 'anti semitic'?

Palestinians also don't live 'outside the wall' all of their imports are policed by Israel. So yes it pretty much is a seige.

sinwave · 2 May 2019 at 16:37

ANDREW GREEN said:
It's called creating a balanced reporting where you show the reality of a situation from both sides.

Also why are you under the delusion that reporting Israel's war crimes is 'anti semitic'?

under what terms is robinson obliged to report everything? that's a great way to stifle people with unmanageable workload and duplication of effort.

i was given the impression that everything robinson does has to be shoehorned into a hate crime category.

LabR@t · 2 May 2019 at 17:03

ANDREW GREEN said:
In grooming gangs specifically but not in child sexual abuse as a whole though:

The vast majority of child sex offenders in England and Wales are male, with men representing 98% of all defendants in 2015/16, and white, with whites representing 85% of convicted child sex offenders and 86% of the general population in 2011.

yuck another apologist.

Roar87 · 2 May 2019 at 17:19

ANDREW GREEN said:
I've listened to plenty of his rants and yes he doesn't come across as overtly racist because he isn't that stupid. I've explained what he does and I've asked why he only reports the crimes of Muslims and other immigrants. I await an answer from you and I doubt one is forthcoming.

Ok, so in your view Tommy Robinson is racist and hates all brown (and black?) people; that's more conceivable than someone who was brought up in Luton having experienced problems with (radical) Islam first hand and witnessing the lack of action by government (probably because of people like you calling them racist), so has decided to take action himself. Gotcha.

StriderX · 2 May 2019 at 17:31

Roar87 said:
Ok, so in your view Tommy Robinson is racist and hates all brown (and black?) people; that's more conceivable than someone who was brought up in Luton having experienced problems with (radical) Islam first hand and witnessing the lack of action by government (probably because of people like you calling them racist), so has decided to take action himself. Gotcha.

Why did he say nothing about his pedo friends, Leigh McMillan and Peter Gillett?

Unless of course he had no knowledge of his own edl members, when he was their leader and founder? The problem is that these people don’t rise to their station, they fail towards it.

Where is his action in these two cases? Where is his action in the now seemingly ignored inquiry of sexual abuse from parliament and other government agencies?

Silence.

neckbeardthethird · 2 May 2019 at 17:43

Given he has previously liked tweets that have called people 'smelly pakis' etc I find it very hard to believe the guy isn't either racist or xenophobic.

I often hear people talk about how he only criticises religion etc and thus he's not racist or xenophobic... well if that's the case why was he tweeting about how Pakistanis stink ? That's hardly a fair criticism of a religion, it's a completely personal attack with no relation whatsoever to his so called 'message'.

sinwave · 2 May 2019 at 17:52

StriderX said:
Why did he say nothing about his pedo friend?

interesting, I hadn't heard about Leigh McMillan. why would he bring it up though? it does nothing to further his position. has he defended mcmillan?

Dis86 · 2 May 2019 at 18:16

The irony in trying to defame someone through their association with a paedophile in a thread about islamaphobia...

Roar87 · 2 May 2019 at 18:19

StriderX said:
Why did he say nothing about his pedo friends, Leigh McMillan and Peter Gillett?

Unless of course he had no knowledge of his own edl members, when he was their leader and founder? The problem is that these people don’t rise to their station, they fail towards it.

Where is his action in these two cases? Where is his action in the now seemingly ignored inquiry of sexual abuse from parliament and other government agencies?

Silence.

How does what you've said make any sense? Why would him being the leader of the EDL make him aware of some of the members being paedophiles? That's like saying the Pope is responsible for Catholic priests being paedophiles. Is he still friends with these people, has he defended them? Please enlighten me