Poll: Italian Grand Prix 2020, Monza - Race 8/17

Rate the 2020 Italian Grand Prix out of ten


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"As Masi said: "The map indicating those is distributed to all the teams in my event notes, and is part of the pitlane diagram. Obviously it is also in what forms part of the race director's event notes, which is used for the drivers' meeting."

"Further, there are two other warning systems in place to help teams in such circumstances. The software that teams use to monitor the track switches to show the pitlane area in red, while there is also a notification made on one of the official F1 timing pages that the pitlane is closed."

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Mercedes, in the split second in which it had to react to the safety car, had also not spotted the changes in the software system nor the Timing Page.

As Mercedes boss Toto Wolff said: "We spotted that last minute back home. One of the strategists just shouted into the radio whilst we were entering the pitlane."

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Now you lot can stop moaning.
It was Mercs fault.
 
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You would see the problem if there was an actual obstruction in the pit lane and two cars came diving in.

150mph right turn with pit entry on the right and all signage is out there on the left it's not where you would be looking.

Penalties were fair, just doesn't seem like the best set up to warn of possible danger.


Read my post above
 
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"As Masi said: "The map indicating those is distributed to all the teams in my event notes, and is part of the pitlane diagram. Obviously it is also in what forms part of the race director's event notes, which is used for the drivers' meeting."

"Further, there are two other warning systems in place to help teams in such circumstances. The software that teams use to monitor the track switches to show the pitlane area in red, while there is also a notification made on one of the official F1 timing pages that the pitlane is closed."

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Mercedes, in the split second in which it had to react to the safety car, had also not spotted the changes in the software system nor the Timing Page.

As Mercedes boss Toto Wolff said: "We spotted that last minute back home. One of the strategists just shouted into the radio whilst we were entering the pitlane."

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Now you lot can stop moaning.
It was Mercs fault.

Not a single person is moaning. Almost every fan, except yourself, agrees that there should be a better system, on safety grounds alone. Good thing there wasn’t a serious incident in the pit lane. It can’t be difficult for a message to pop up on the steering wheel or from the fia over the radio. That doesn’t fit your troll posting though.
 
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Not a single person is moaning. Almost every fan, except yourself, agrees that there should be a better system, on safety grounds alone. Good thing there wasn’t a serious incident in the pit lane. It can’t be difficult for a message to pop up on the steering wheel or from the fia over the radio. That doesn’t fit your troll posting though.


There is a system in place that works.

Only 2 teams failed.

The other teams done there home work and knew the rules...
Now. If this was anyone else you would have said nothing....

So you want to get teams to pay for a new steering wheel that connects to the FIA?
They are trying to keep the costs down.
The team should have told him over the radio? do you want the FIA to drive the car for them?

Me being a troll for stating facts? Grow up.
 
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When you are turning you are looking towards the apex and beyond so on a right hand bend you would be looking towards the right.

And here is the sign, just above the apex, on the right, because when you are turning right, things on the left appear on the right first.

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It's also worth remembering that they had marshals on the track laying down cement dust, which they won't do under a VSC.

Exactly. That's why there was a full safety car, not because they decided to take the car back into the pits. Having decided they needed a safety car to deal with the track surface, it makes sense to fully recover the car to the pits as well.
 
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There is a system in place that works.

Only 2 teams failed.

The other teams done there home work and knew the rules...
Now. If this was anyone else you would have said nothing....

So you want to get teams to pay for a new steering wheel that connects to the FIA?
They are trying to keep the costs down.
The team should have told him over the radio? do you want the FIA to drive the car for them?

Me being a troll for stating facts? Grow up.

It’s like talking to a wall.

Sure, it’s going to cost a fortune to have a system whereby the FIA can communicate to the drivers over the radio or steering wheel.

2 teams is more than 0 which shows the safety system isn’t robust enough.
 
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I think it's a bit daft not having a sign on the immediate entry to pit lane, if the pit lane opens between someone passing the last sign and approaching the pit entry how are they to know in time?


There is a sign at pit entry though.

Did you not hear Hamilton on the radio to the team as he entered pits saying the sign was not on.

Also Hamilton as near as damn it admitted he had seen the lights on the left hand side of the track, because he asked his team on the radio " will we get a penalty" before he was even in the proper pit lane.

So the system as is works perfectly fine, nothing needs changing.
 
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So you want to get teams to pay for a new steering wheel that connects to the FIA?

Well the steering wheels already have lights linked for a yellow flag and a blue flag, it'd hardly be an impossibility to add a light for 'pitline closed' from next season as a safety improvement would it?

It's a safety protocol, if 2 cars from 2 teams have managed to miss it, then the procedure could be improved, next time there might be something genuinely 'dangerous' to encounter in the pits.
 
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It's a safety protocol, if 2 cars from 2 teams have managed to miss it, then the procedure could be improved, next time there might be something genuinely 'dangerous' to encounter in the pits.

No harm in adding it, but its a failure of the teams processes, not the FIA's or anything else. Primarily it should be those teams who need to implement measures to prevent this happening again.
 
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No harm in adding it, but its a failure of the teams processes, not the FIA's or anything else. Primarily it should be those teams who need to implement measures to prevent this happening again.

This is where 'Health and Safety' needs to be separated from 'Whose fault was it'. If you can fix it systematically, rather than at a team level, that's clearly the preferable solution.
 
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So you want to get teams to pay for a new steering wheel that connects to the FIA?

Direct to car marshalling already exists. It's sent by the FIA via the FOM telemetry system. I don't know if they send pit open/closed though. I expect not because otherwise this situation wouldn't happen.
 
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Direct to car marshalling already exists. It's sent by the FIA via the FOM telemetry system. I don't know if they send pit open/closed though. I expect not because otherwise this situation wouldn't happen.

There have been recent examples of drivers not seeing the lights on the wheel. Norris and Hamilton have had penalties for ignoring yellow flags this season for example. An indicator on the wheel for this specific scenario will help of course, but it won't stop it from ever happening again.

Drivers should not be solely relying on one warning system anyway, if the wheel lights do not work for some reason and they miss a yellow flag on track, that is not a valid excuse.
 
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There have been recent examples of drivers not seeing the lights on the wheel. Norris and Hamilton have had penalties for ignoring yellow flags this season for example. An indicator on the wheel for this specific scenario will help of course, but it won't stop it from ever happening again.

Drivers should not be solely relying on one warning system anyway, if the wheel lights do not work for some reason and they miss a yellow flag on track, that is not a valid excuse.

Yes, obviously both systems would help but no excuses can be made in any case.
 
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First 10/10 race for me since Vettel's last victory... Am loving Hamilton's crying!

Where was he crying? He took responsibility, praised Gasly for the win and was super calm on the radio. Go listen to his radio with the team during the red flag and there was no crying as you put it. Once again where was he crying because like you I watched the race and he did not complain once about the penalty?
 
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There is a system in place that works.

Only 2 teams failed.

The other teams done there home work and knew the rules...
Now. If this was anyone else you would have said nothing....

Exactly, listening to post race interviews Carlos touches on this exact point. He was going to Pit and was fairly committed to doing so it was just someone in the team piped up and said not to pit as the lane was closed. He was only a few seconds behind Lewis in the end so didn't have a great amount more time for the team to make the decision.
 
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