Why should he get stuff for free that others have to pay for?
Jon Venables to get free guitar lessons!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Why should he get stuff for free that others have to pay for?
what like accommodation, food..........hold on.
Stuff bar the bare essentials I should have said
Exactly. Best way to rehabilitate people is to leave them to twiddle their thumbs for their entire sentence. That'll learn 'em!
Probably for two reasons that are generally unpopular but actually make a fair bit of sense. The first being rehabilitation, the more you teach them, the more skills you give them the better the chance they have at coming out of prison and not commiting crime again.
The second is to help with behaviour. Prisons with only the bare minimum and no priviliges for good behaviour would be much harder to run. You would need more staff, you would have more assaults, you would have generally more trouble and so would have spend a lot more on each prisoner to keep them, the prison and the guards safe.
Prison should fulfil three purposes, Rehabilitation, Protection of the public and Punishment. I would say in that order too, but that is the bit open to interpretation. It seems a lot would prefer if prison was all about punishment, but I would hate to see what impact that would have on the crime rates as I dont think it would be all that positive.
No, best way to rehabilitate them is to make them earn extras via soft/hard labour.
That has an easy solution, if you do not behave well then you find that you suddenly have to spend 24/7 in your cell for say the next 3 days with only trips out for a shower.
Soldato
Because having literally nothing to do all day in a building full of people who are likely to have violent impulses leads to, you guessed it, violence. They'll spend their whole time there hating the state and not reflecting on what they've done to be in there in the first place. If we help them to understand that it was wrong and use other methods or rehabilitation rather than simple isolation or exclusion then they are far more likely to see the errors of their ways and will then be able to rejoin society as normal, functional adults.
Who said nothing to do? They can be used as soft/hard labour.
Can have land attached to prison so that they even grow their own crops
Soldato
jon venables ate my hamster and then the governement gave him a slice of cheesecake for pudding
BROKEN BRITAAAIN OMGGGG
BROKEN BRITAAAIN OMGGGG
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And for the prisoners that don't want to bother growing carrots?
Big burly men employed at extra cost to force them to do it perhaps
Forced labour has never rehabilitated anyone.
And for the prisoners that don't want to bother growing carrots?
Big burly men employed at extra cost to force them to do it perhaps
How about this:
You grow crops, or do whatever else the prison has to offer = you get guitar lessons, tv, xbox
You don't do it = you get nothing
You misbehave = you get nothing and sit in your cell 24/7
Forced labour teaches them that to get something you need to put in some work, pretty much how the rest of us in the real world live.
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Soldato
Forced labour makes them hate the state even more, not want to help or rejoin it.
Congratulations you have just upped the cost of keeping someone in prison significantly. You have probably also increased the chances of them reoffending when they come out again.
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Interesting relevent link:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8611279.stm
Here's a thought. If being nice to them is PROVEN to make them less likely to re-offend, should we be nice to them for the sake of the future (after all, they're gonna be released sooner or later), or real nasty to them as revenge for the past?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8611279.stm
Here's a thought. If being nice to them is PROVEN to make them less likely to re-offend, should we be nice to them for the sake of the future (after all, they're gonna be released sooner or later), or real nasty to them as revenge for the past?
Prisons are punishment for a crime, historically crimes have always been punished - from pre-Roman times.
Soldato
Utter tosh mate.
So prisons are holidays then and not punishment?
when playing devil's advocate it is usually better to sound convincing and informed
Prisons are places where people are held while awaiting punishment (or during the duration of their punishment in some cases such as dungeons).