Jon Venables to get free guitar lessons!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Skidder]

Prisons are places where people are held while awaiting punishment (or during the duration of their punishment in some cases such as dungeons).

good one

 

[mmj_uk]

Crime pays.

I've always said if you end up homeless for whatever reason you're better off robbing a bank, it's a win win situation whatever the outcome.

You're probably better off in jail than either unemployed or homeless in this country.

 

[britboy4321]

Crime pays.

I've always said if you end up homeless for whatever reason you're better off robbing a bank, it's a win win situation whatever the outcome.

You're probably better off in jail than either unemployed or homeless in this country.

Yes, a criminal record, rubbish food, being locked up for up to 23 hours a day, regularly having the sh** kicked out of you if you don't know how to look after yourself, having your post read, poo'ing in a bucket in the corner of the room (or toilet if you're lucky and it still means you're effectively living in a 6' by 9' bathroom), and being buggered by 'Mr Big' every now and again sounds an awful lot better than being unemployed

 

[Skidder]

Crime pays.

I've always said if you end up homeless for whatever reason you're better off robbing a bank, it's a win win situation whatever the outcome.

You're probably better off in jail than either unemployed or homeless in this country.

If you have always said that, perhaps it is time you reflected on your view to see if there is any merit in it. You may find you were wrong, or at least that perhaps the answer, as usual, lies in the grey areas.

 

[ColdAsIce]

and that legitimises it?

my response to the OP is GOOD, did you expect him to pay for them? no other prisoner would, better he's doing something constructive with his time and being rehabilitated than just becoming another dreg of society.

You mean, just as him being rehabilitated worked the last time for Jon Venables ?

 

[GingerNinja1989]

Don't see the problem with guitar lessons.

I can when the law-abiding public have to pay for them, and he gets them for free.

 

[GingerNinja1989]

EDIT: Double post.

 

[PermaBanned]

I can when the law-abiding public have to pay for them, and he gets them for free.

What do you want them to do, get a job?

Watch it.

 

[RDM]

How have the costs upped by them staying in their cell?

Because you now need one cell per person, you need increased guard presence when you take them for their daily shower. Because there is little incentive to behave you are going to have more trouble in general so will need more guards for every single process you are going to have in prison.

Why do you think maximum security prisons cost more to run per prisoner than standard prisions?

 

[OLDPHART]

Last post and i'll leave it at last, Yes l'm 55yrs old, l might come from a different time, my views compared to the dark age's. But as l keep saying you learn respect right from wrong not just from parents but from life itself growing up school, etc.

lozzick > so your saying its all right for gangs of youths to stand out side someone's house late at night swearing their heads off, beer cans etc thrown into are front garden, gobs of spit all over the place.

Give me your address i'll send them round to you and see how long you would put up with it and get spat on. I bet its not community service you would give him or would you turn the other cheek and get spat on again.

IMAO - COMMUNITY SERVICE, PHONE THE POLICE TO DO WHAT?

In the case of Venables, he must have under gone treatment to help him and released so he must have had some knowledge of right and wrong etc. So if indeed he had pictures of children on his computer, surely he must have known it was wrong, what next.

There's no punishment to fit the crime this is why the countrys in a mess, not every kid who gets into trouble crime, etc comes from a broken home. You say they need help, education, etc. The vast majority must have known they were in the wrong, before they commited the crime, so why did they do it?

So why should people feel sorry for them? l bet l'm not the only one with these views, tell that to some one who's been a victim of crime no matter how small.

The crime rate under Labour Goverment is shocking, the only thing people can do is vote then out and hope one day we get a GOVERMENT who will fit the punishment to the crime.

Not last but least yet again l get picked on because my grammer, type more legibly, etc. Not every one has a good commaned of english ,grammer,etc and jump on OP's back because of it, always impressed by that.

 

[eatcustard]

Rehabilitation is more important than revenge.

not when he killed a 2 year old, revenge is far better

Wrong but better

 

[semi-pro waster]

The situation in question wasn't as cut-and-dried as the papers made out. There were obvious and clear signs of neglect in the shop, and they also did not give care advice as they are legally obligated to do. It was not simply the sale of a fish to someone 2 years younger than required.

I was aware that there was more to it than the goldfish story alone, however I'm prepared to accept the terms of the punishment might not have been entirely merited (although of course without seeing all the evidence it is difficult to say) but that some form of punishment was due seems fairly straightforward to me.

How about this:
You grow crops, or do whatever else the prison has to offer = you get guitar lessons, tv, xbox

You don't do it = you get nothing

You misbehave = you get nothing and sit in your sell 24/7

Your first situation isn't all that different to what happens now except that you've added in the coerced/forced labour part. Your second and third situations also aren't terribly different from the general concept either - is your main point that we should have forced labour? If so how is that going to benefit us as a society?

 

[rypt]

Because costs per prisoner would go down as the labour creates something that can be sold, or has some benefit to the country (better road / railways) or grows crops that can then be used to create the food for the prisoners.
It also teaches the prisoners that they get something in return for working, rather than them just being given stuff in prison for "good behaviour" (I don't get free stuff in life for good behaviour, I have to earn it ffs)

 

[PermaBanned]

Because costs per prisoner would go down as the labour creates something that can be sold, or has some benefit to the country (better road / railways) or grows crops that can then be used to create the food for the prisoners.
It also teaches the prisoners that they get something in return for working, rather than them just being given stuff in prison for "good behaviour" (I don't get free stuff in life for good behaviour, I have to earn it ffs)

If you think life in prison is so much better than yours then why don't you go there?

 

[-|ScottFree|-]

No Oldphart I agree with 95% of the people who have posted. What you have said is completely outrageous..

Are you saying that we should actually make life hard for criminals. Are you implying that putting severe deterents in place would reduce crime, surely not.

As one poster said, Prison is far from cushy, "its boring"!! ... (My god)..lol

You have to laugh, otherwise you would cry.

Jon Venables kills a child, and then is caught with child pornography. Yet making him pay for his crimes by putting him in a cell for 23 hours a day is not fair because "its boring", and by learning the guitar "at least he is doing something constructive".... classic OcUK user posts.

Do yourself a favour OLDPHART. If you want to discuss the state of the Criminal justice System in the UK, then its all in the name, Criminal Justice. Come to terms with the fact that there is no justice for the victims of crime in this country. 3500 Laws brought in by the Labour looney party, and none of them will effect the criminal elements of society, only the law abiding ones like you and I.

What has happened in there years of power is prison life and human rights have swung in favour of those who break the law. The more atrocious the act of violence a criminal commits, the more... care... and rehabilitation he/she is given....

Crime pays, and until that changes and you make prison an experience that you do not want to relive, the upward spiral of crime will continue.

I suppose the crime of selling a Goldfish to a 14 year old and being tagged for it is something us law abiding tax payers will just have to get used to...but if we use that level of punishment as a yard stick, Jon Venables should be hung strung and quatered...

 

[OLDPHART]

Sorry folks, just me the bad penny, l see some kind moderator has altered my thread title > Free Guitar Lessons!!!!! to Jon Venables To Get Free Guitar Lessons!!!!!

Can you explain why? > moderator!!!!!

 

[V4NT0M]

l see some kind moderator has altered my thread title > Free Guitar Lessons!!!!! to Jon Venables To Get Free Guitar Lessons!!!!!

Can you explain why? > moderator!!!!!

It's pretty obvious.

 

[OLDPHART]

To Skyfall yes it is, but the namless moderator could have at least put it in black and white why he or she did it!!!!!

Or perhaps the moderater wants to remain namless, in case l sue him for infringing on my Human Rights!!!! > changing my thread title LOL.

 

[Abraham]

Because costs per prisoner would go down as the labour creates something that can be sold, or has some benefit to the country (better road / railways) or grows crops that can then be used to create the food for the prisoners.
It also teaches the prisoners that they get something in return for working, rather than them just being given stuff in prison for "good behaviour" (I don't get free stuff in life for good behaviour, I have to earn it ffs)

You do realise there are already many reward based systems in place in british prisons?

I do agree to a small extent with you, that there is only so much rehabilitation you can do and some people won't respond, maybe there are cases for solitary confinement (as there are many prisoners in already). I don't think there's much flaw with the prison system as it stands at the moment, quite possibly in the legal system that decides who goes there, but not the same things the daily mail would have you believe.

I can't even bring myself to try and explain things to the posters who are pro vengeance. If you can't be bothered to educate yourself as to how things really work then you're as much of a lost cause as the prisoners you're talking about. Why would you possibly cite the goldfish story to justify your argument after it's been debunked 10 or so times in this thread alone.

 

[Von Smallhausen]

I know for a fact they are

We are all entitled to our opinions but I fail to see how the likes of Frankland, Belmarsh and Whitemoor are walks in the park ?