Man of Honour
Jon Venables to get free guitar lessons!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Man of Honour
You really need it explaining? :/
I'd be interested to know how easy Wakefield and Armley are. Wakefield being high security proper, and Armley being known as hard time by anyone that I've ever spoken to about it.
Did you have to? That was an obvious one
Man of Honour
Did you have to? That was an obvious one
"Captain Obvious" is my nickname. And he stills seems to be avoiding the trap.
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US prison system is pretty harsh contains huge amounts of forced labour and even capitol punishment.
Yet it doesn't seem to stop them.
Soldato
It is a shame the UK cant call on it's commonwealth and give these people new identities abroad. Spend the money their, boost their economies and rid us of these people.
That is a paradox.
Soldato
I agree Gackt, the only reason custard could be saying that is because of emotional factors, which really should be taken out of the equation altogether.
Oh, and the perfect song for this situation:
Oh, and the perfect song for this situation:
Soldato
Yet again we give into the whims of perverts, pedo's, murders > John Venables given free guitar lessons. So it takes his mind off things ie: can't mix with his fellow inmates, l wunder why?
How many decent young kids, teenagers would love free guitar lessons. This Goverment(l use the term lightly) patronize's these criminals, surely they have given up their Human Rights by thier acts, nothing a bullet to the head or a length of rope wouldn't cure.
Day in, day out we hear reports in the news papers of the cushy life prisoners lead inside, play stations, colour tv, the list goes on. While some hard working familys can not give their kids these luxuries.
When we get a Goverment who stops all this and makes their life hell inside and bring back the berch for young offenders. If we don't start giving suitable punishments that fits the crime ie: murder > you hang, violet muggings > the berch.
I apologise for going on but reading about Venables in this mornings news paper, l simply blow a fuse. I know its been said all before and again l apologise but decent people today are made out to be the criminals by this Goverment ie: Pet Shop Owner criminalized for selling a goldfish to a fourteen year old.
Well my rants over folks but my head still hurts!!!!!!
Have a nice day.
You like your apostrophes!
Man of Honour
I used the three I quoted as examples Gilly There are many more that are no doubts very unpleasant places.
Wakefield, I hear from HMP sources, is a tinderbox but I don't know much about Armley but as it as a cat B, I can't imagine it to be cushy as is suggested.
That's exactly it. Those who call for revenge are basing it on emotional factors. Justice has no emotions, it has no feelings. They often try to base their judgements by imagining how they would feel in the situation, and express their opinions accordingly.
Soldato
You like your apostrophes!
Only two apostrophes are misplaced in around six paragraphs of text, not worth making a fuss about IMO.
Soldato
Seeing as you quote the Bible, how about "pray for your enemies.", along with what Jesus said on an eye for an eye.
Soldato
I think we have already stated that deterrents do not work, as per US example and especially in this case.
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Are you completely daft, do you realise what would happen if you kept every prisoner in isolation for basically 24 hours a day, sitting in a cell without a book to read, a tv to watch or work of some kind to do? Its called madness, why don't you go and sit in a box room, with nothing in it and see how long you last before you start feeling a bit mad yourself, now imagine a decade, or 5 decades of that before you come out. In doing so you'd turn bad people into criminally insane bad people, what a truly fantastic idea.
Humans are NOT designed to live in complete isolate with zero activity, turning a bunch of not very nice people, into truly insane people too boot, just isn't going to make life better.
Lessons in krav maga = not good
lessons on the guitar = way to waste time and fine
Capitol punishment is a very slim deterant, because these days the vast majority of people appeal, manage to establish some reasonable doubt and manage to get taken off it. The numbers of criminals actually killed on death row, are minimal, and so many years after the fact that most people don't really think/talk about the deaths much.
Some dude gets murdered, someone else goes on trial and is found guilty, theres a media frenzy, the family are in the courtroom and being hounded by press, its fresh and they want to see the guy caught.
He goes down, but then the media dies down, the family and friends move on. 5-10 years later the guy is finally put down on death row, the family don't want to bring it up and don't go, the friends don't go, the media interest without the family angle, and just a guy dying very quietly for a crime no one remembers, is minimal, so they barely cover it.
Barely anyone registers the guy is killed, if he was taken from trial and killed a month later, everyone would know why, the family would be there, the press would be all over it, etc, etc.
Capital punishment has barely existed in the USA for 40-50 years, so its not surprising its no deterrant.
But it actually is, again I'll ask the easy question, if there was the chance of being put to death, you'd think twice about picking up a million pounds in a suitcase some daft banker left on a desk with his back turned to. If the worst punishment you could get was a really really hard tickling, would you then consider grabbing the suitcase and making a run for it? It a deterant, anyone that says otherwise is retarded.
THe problem is most people who think about it, think they won't get that high up the chain so they will be put to death these days.
THe other problem is gangs in bad area's in the states, theres a problem with kids in ghetto's, too many don't think they'll get out or live anywhere but the ghetto and most don't think they'll end up anywhere but jail anyway, the idea of a full normal life without crime just isn't something they consider as an alternative, thats the real problem. More "normal" people find jail a far more threatening prospect.
Soldato
I don't think you can get the death sentence for stealing a million pounds. Plus the death sentence, for crimes like stealing in old England, didn't stop people.
Man of Honour
You're making several assumptions here, not necessarily supportable ones either. You're assuming quite a lot in this scenario, amongst them that the criminal a) gets caught, b) expects to get caught and punished, c) appreciates the consequences of their actions, d) can control their compulsion to steal and/or is not of diminished responsibility. Asking what I'd do in the scenario is somewhat fallacious and appeals to the "but it's obvious innit, you wouldn't do it if you're risking capital punishment".
So I'll tell you that in certain cases, possibly even a significant number, it is not a deterrent. Now that particular viewpoint may make me retarded but I'd suspect not.
There's not going to be a single solution that works for everyone but capital punishment has existed in a variety of forms for centuries and during those times various excruciating methods for putting people to death have been tried yet crime still existed.
Soldato
Wish I could have worded it like that.
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Soldato
Are you honestly 55?
I have my doubts...