Just put my name down for one of these:-
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Raymond Lin said:
im all for that, if you want it buy it, was at a porsche meet at the weekend and some **** in a GT3RS was giving a boxterS owner a mouthfull I gave him a right earfull, its not right to have a go at somone just becuase of what they drive.
the guy with the boxster S was actually quite a decent bloke, shame steve in the GT3 was a ****, fortunatly I told steve mine was a std C2, then destroyed him on the way back after taking two GT2's and a gallardo
(pics availible of the cars if you want
) no vids though sorry, ill get locked up.
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we both know that in here it's not limited to American cars though don't we?JRS said:Too much unfounded bias to try and wade through
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sorry but i think i've missed the post declaring your current daily driver?Cassius Clarke said:
if you had trouble with a carrera (please tell me it was, i'm tired now as it is) then what do you run?
and can i have it for no monies when you're done with it?
EDIT scratch that, just noticed two posts up.
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Simon said:
no no dont get me wrong, im not arrogant, and the FWD part was brought on by somone else, if it was a my mates bigger than yours competition id have brought in the big guns (GT2's gallardos, 575's 360Cs's simon george's murci or the evo carrera GT pictured above next to my car yesterday! etc etc etc etc) ive got a crap old RWD german thing thats not interesting, only about 480 bhp (although should be 500 but I doubt she will pull that now and I aint dynoed her) im not trying to say anyones car is crap, im just trying to point out facts.
and if you dont believe me check my profile on piston heads, I organise a lot of the runs there
im DucatiGary, jus do a search
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The_Dark_Side said:
Of course not. Hell, I'm biased against a lot of cars as well. Which makes it doubly stupid for me to be arguing on here really.
Nobody's perfect
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The_Dark_Side said:
mines the blue car next to the Evo long termer carrera gt above
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i wasn't aiming that at you ya loon.JRS said:Of course not. Hell, I'm biased against a lot of cars as well. Which makes it doubly stupid for me to be arguing on here really.
Nobody's perfect
i meant there are so many topics in here that a lot of people have ill conceived preconceptions.
it might be just me but what i've found is a lot of members regurgitating the opinions of the more experienced/technical members (Dogbreath,Simon,Lopez and a few dozen more i could name), without actually knowing why that opinion exists.
at least in the discussions where i've been wrong i've at least been voicing my own opinion and not one that i heard XYZ say and therefore must be true.
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The_Dark_Side said:
good point but im not going by hearsay for the record, ive had it on the ring on the ragged edge and that wasnt a hard thing because (back to my point) its got too much power at the front wheels.
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i think the above is true for the vast majority of cars.Cassius Clarke said:
to put over 250 brake down effectively takes a pretty focused approach from the design team and as such the car ends up being relatively hardcore.
cars like Merlins are deservedly known as being incredibly competant, but the things that make it this way make it too hardcore for mass appeal.
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again, i really wasn't aiming that at you or anyone in particular.Cassius Clarke said:
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i'll put this in capitals for the last time.Zip said:That isnt aimed at me for my one coment about simons car is it?
TRUST ME, IF I AIM A COMMENT AT YOU IT WILL HAVE YOUR NAME ATTACHED, that much you are guaranteed.
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Cassius Clarke said:
Would that be the "no need to worry about that, the rollers will tell all the truth, I made a drunken mistake when listing the car on ph, its a std C2 with no mods at all, nothing, there you go record is straight now. " Gemballa?
Shown as a standard C2 in PH profile..
Cassius - Unfortunately I was handicapped in my first track day with my 245 (ish) bhp car so I couldnt play properly.
However, Simon was there with his Rover & kept a BMW CSL honest all day long, corners and straights with plenty of OcUK witnesses too.
Your mate has a thing or two to learn about proper FWD performance cars.
Btw - you should catch the BTCC, you know the one - it's where they race 300bhp mostly FWD cars.
However, Simon was there with his Rover & kept a BMW CSL honest all day long, corners and straights with plenty of OcUK witnesses too.
Your mate has a thing or two to learn about proper FWD performance cars.
Btw - you should catch the BTCC, you know the one - it's where they race 300bhp mostly FWD cars.
I'd be interested to hear about the CTR. Clearly the guy has some problems especially if he's fitted a LSD and still cant drive the car.
Unless of course he's gone overboard on the power?
Spec list would be nice if possible, maybe I can help him out or even point him in the right direction to get the car set up properly.
Unless of course he's gone overboard on the power?
Spec list would be nice if possible, maybe I can help him out or even point him in the right direction to get the car set up properly.
Cassius Clarke said:I will admit though I had trouble with this yesterday
Hi there
Right I've been asleep the last few hours so am only half awake. First of all very nice cars. I take it yours is the 996 Porsche? Am guessing its either a C2 or C4 with either the 300BHP or 320BHP engine depending on year? Any mods?
Don't get me wrong when I bought the Mustang the Porsche 996 C2/C4 was the car I originally intended to buy but the Mustang came into the picture by surprise. I'd been wanting a Porsche 996 for months because they are just gorgeous cars, pretty good pace in a straight line even more so when into three figures. Handling that is truly amazing and most say only beaten ever so slightly by the Boxter S and obviously good reliability. You maybe asking why I did not buy the Porsche then?
Well I've always had a soft spot for Yank cars and when the new Mustang came out I fell in love but never really gave any thought to owning one, it was just a dream.
So I was on my hunt for 911's was gonna be spending around 28k which was gonna get me a 996 C2 or C4 around the year 1998-2000 with approx 60-90k on the clock and was hoping to find one with the Aero Kit fitted. Then what do I seen on PistonHeads well the car I own now a Saleen Mustang. Only 600 miles on the clock, only 6 months old and a car so rare I just fell in love. My worries were the LHD, Insurance and handling.
So I paid the guy a visit, this guy loved his motors he had a BMW M3, BMW 535D, Ford race spec Capri, Saleen F150 Supercharged pickup due to be delivered, Quads and several other vehicles. He raced Capri's as a hobby and the only thing that held him back was his Mrs. who refused to allow him to fill all their many acres of land with cars. So I asked the chap so how well does it handle, he gave me Saleens spec sheet which showed many many changed components that focused on sorting the handling and reducing weight of the car. He then made the comment of the handling been as good as his M3 which was the new E46 shape model and superior to his brand new 535D Sport twin turbo diesel super barge.
At this point I was doubting his comment on the handling been as good as the BMW, so he took me out, when we returned some 30 minutes later after travelling at some very high speeds around Rudyard Lake down very small and twisty lanes I knew at this point he was not fibbing about this cars handling abilities, I've been in several BMW's both passenger and driven so can compare accurately. He was able to drive the car in such a manner that he could floor it from a junction in 1st without the car leaving a set of elevens but able to get all the power down swiftly and effectively, this I guess comes from his experience of racing cars. As then he decided to do something similar but in a hooligan type manner with plenty sideways action and some lovely sets of elevens up the road. During all the driving he did the TC systems was left off, though even when its on it only seems to kick in when you attempt to do a burnout. So upon returning I was amazing at how well this car handled and was grinning so much. He basically said the Mustang can be driven very fast it just takes practice wheras the M3 is easier to drive fast due to the TC/DSC programmes etc. that help keep the car on the road wheras the Mustang will punish you more if you make a mistake....
Now my two problems left were LHD and insurance. Well insurance was a doggle, £500 for unlimited mileage, I could not believe it so thats some money to be saved. LHD took me about 1-2 weeks to generally get used to it and the hardest bit believe it or not is changing gear with my other hand, but now I am quite happy in the car and don't have fears are sticking with LHD drive cars any more.
So the question was do I carry on looking at Porsches? Well my heart was set the Mustang it had to be. There were several deciding factors though. Spend 26k on a Porsche and I get something 6-8 years old with a lot of mileage that would carry on depreciating, yes Porsches are superbly reliable but a car that old will need new parts and Porsche parts and labour don't come cheap, not even at a specialist. Plus Porsches around here are as common as Mondeo's in some parts but as Fox would say thats because they are great cars which they truly are.
I knew the Mustang would not be in the same league handling wise as the Porsche and nor would the build quality and yes the Porsche was/is the thinking mans car but the Mustang won my heart and I don't regret buying it one bit, I absolutely love driving the thing. Plus at the moment it seems to be appreciating as there are a couple of 05 Saleen Mustang selling one is 32k and the other 36k so I look to make good money when selling.
Yeah the Porsche will get round corners quicker, plant the accelerator in the Porsche at 140mph and its gonna get upto 170mph pretty quick due to fantastic aero-dynamics and it will do it all without been over dramatic. However the Mustang is just so much more fun FOR ME to drive, I say me because all people look for different things. But hey I'll happily race any Porsche C2/C4 from the lights or say a rolling start upto 120mph ish as the Mustang will be the car ahead, the only reason its slower at the higher speeds is plainly down to its poor aero-dynamics. I am obviously talking dry conditions here as if your gonna drive a Mustang fast in the wet your gonna have big balls.
Also see my earlier post with track times from EVO magazine that kinda proves what your saying regarding "usable power" and is why the much less powerful Boxter S does so well. However look at those American Muscle Mustangs which people say can't handle, well look at that they seem to be putting in better laps than lots of other supposedly great handling European cars as these are Mustangs with the live rear axle and leaf springs, guess the suspension might be basic but it clearly works well. I aint saying I am quicker round a track than you as a driver as I have little track experience but when the cars are on a level playing field all driven by a good/same driver on a track, the results are surprising. The guy at Powerstation races Subaru's his very own is 450BHP, stripped, roll cage and he drove my car and he could not get over the steering he was like its the best he has ever used so quick, precise and great feedback, I knew it was good but never realised it was quite so good, he really liked it.Then I can always throw my favourite in the Corvette and just to be even more mean lets look at the new 7.2l version with 510BHP built around a light fibre glass body I think this American car hits the European and Japanese right where it hurts. Fifth gear got one, said its easily one of the best cars he has ever driven, even Top Gear loved it and true professional drivers/press/reviews can't knock it in any way. In a straight line it practically destroys anything and hey it can even do it in corners too both in the wet and dry. Its done the Nurdburgring in approx 7.5 minutes and is one of the quickest cars around top gears small track. Clearly a car that would destroy a Porsche C2/C4 on the track as will the Corvette C6 too which is the same as its bigger brother but only has 405BHP and mountains of torque.
Though don't get me wrong I still want to own a Porsche but will do it when I grow up a bit and have more like 40k-50k to spend on one and then I think it will be a C4S as I know how well they drive, yeah it won't have the grunt I'd have been used to but its a well balanced car and a different driving experience. For the moment American muscle is what gets my blood flowing and I know the Mustang and Dodge Challenger won't rival a Porsche in twisties whilst in my hands, maybe they would if both cars were driven by professionals but I do know a Corvette C6 or Z06 would easily rival a Porsche as its not only been proven so many times by the press but I've been in a Corvette going round Donnington in the dry and wet. Guess what car after several gruelling laps had to yield to the older C5 Corvette due to holding us up?..... yep it was a Porsche GT2 and I tell you now the driver was not best pleased, he could not believe it an American car lapping quicker than his Porsche. That was the old Corvette the new C6 and Z06 are just sooo much better at everything the only issue with them is build quality as that is something Porsche are great for as everything is finished perfectly. I intend to own a Corvette C6 or Z06 in the next few years but I don't view the Corvette as a true Muscle car, yeah it is in a way but its also a car full of fancy driving aids like BMWs and Porsches plus its been developed with track in mind and though thats something great, at the moment I preferre the roughness and aggressive pose of the Mustang and new Dodge, I can get a Corvette after the Dodge and then maybe jump into a Porsche.
Well I've gone on long enough and think I will get back to sleep now, those are my opinions, I've no doubt dragged them out a bit but hey its a good job we all like different things or the world would be a boring place.
great post Gibbo. People see live rear axle and go it cant handle. But then you get designers from Ferrari test driving the C6 Corvette - Z06(is it that one?). Not only did the Ferrari design team couldn't knock. They also said it was the best handling they've seen.