LAZY SCROUNGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Can I ask, under this scheme, when in one of the 'working for the dole' jobs, I'm assuming you get minimum wage then? Surely not just the £50-something a week?

Well presumably these work schemes aren't going to be full time - since the main point of giving people jobseekers allowance is for them to spend time looking for work. 10 hours a week comunity service in return for the £50 state hand out seems reasonable for the long term unemployed. They'll still have plenty of time to apply for proper full time work and watch thier favorite daytime TV programs etc..
 
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The last time i was on JSA was 2003, they just left me to my own devices and as long as i was looking for work appropiate to my level and showed proof of it they did force anything on me
once youve been signing on for 6months they point you to barwork etc lol
 
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It's a fact of life - despite all the equal opportunities nonsense, employers often raise what they see as legitimate issues. How can a partially sighted person possibly be productive on a computer. Well here I am, being productive, and I can tell you people with much worse eyesight work here too.

Snap - partially sighted here too, although I'm partially hearing too. I have the same suspicion that I'm being rejected on the grounds of disability, even though their usual excuse is experience (or lack of).
 
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great lets see all these ex uni students who cant find work working in mc donalds or where ever great idea.

some people choose guff courses, some fields are oversubscribed, some people have poor social skills and perform badly at interview others are generally inept at writing CVs...

no one owes you a job and just because you do a degree in xyz field doesn't mean you're suddenly entitled to a job in that field or you're right to self appoint yourself some higher status within society which means you wouldn't dream of taking a job some people who don't have the bits of paper you posses would ordinarily do.

I mean screw it I might as well do an 'acting' degree and if I don't land a TV role or a part in a west end production then just keep claiming JSA until someone else gives me the job I personally believe I'm somehow entitled to - because I've got a bit of paper that apparently qualifies me for it....
 
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It'll make no difference to the proper "I don't want to work crew" they are all on the sick and have 10 kids.

They have a better car than me and a new build house on a good estate with cheap rent we pay for.

I look after my daughters I manage 12 hours a week in a petrol station just to make ends meet, my partner works 40 hours bless her and It make me sick to see the same ****ers drinking special brew when they should be doing something, why Is this how do they manage to get away with It?

I see people I've known that have never worked, how do they do It is beyond me.
 
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Well presumably these work schemes aren't going to be full time - since the main point of giving people job-seekers allowance is for them to spend time looking for work. 10 hours a week comunity service in return for the £50 state hand out seems reasonable for the long term unemployed. They'll still have plenty of time to apply for proper full time work and watch thier favorite daytime TV programs etc..

I was once on new deal when it was first created. The 'work for your benefit' was exactly that - 9am to 5pm, 5 days a week with a bunch of trakkie hooddies renovating a community centre and adjacent terraced house.
There was supposed to be a foreman who was in charge of the 'renovations' and showing us how to do stuff.
The reality was he checked us in in the morning and before we went home and the rest of the day he was absent. In the end myself and another lad papered and decorated the whole upstairs of the house whilst everyone else just messed about drilling holes in the bannisters and the walls.

Iirc you got an extra tenner a week/fortnight on top of your dole.

As luck would have it, one of the agencies I was registered with eventually offered me work as a trainee CAD tech (what I was looking to get my foot in the door) so I left that disaster area not a moment too soon.
I don't believe anything has changed overly much tbh. New deal and its derivatives were always a poorly disguised attempt to shrink the unemployment figures.

Don't even get me started on some of the 'business' partnerships that had government subsidies to 'train' job-seekers in useful skills... it was policy for these companies to get more money if they steered a 'customer' (as we were referred to) into one of the community projects/practical tasks, rather than offer to send you an a proper educational/training course for which they got paid a lesser subsidy by the government.

It's a shockingly bad state of affairs that when I had to attend a CV writing course, we filled out loads of questionnaires about skills and qualifications etc, which the business centres secretaries would type up for us and make them all shiny for potential employers... when they came back with the newly typed up CV I had to laugh; it was one solid block of prose, riddled with spelling mistakes and grammatical errors. I asked the bloke who was running the workshop for a red pen, then spent the next half hour correcting the mistakes and highlighting breaks and paragraphs etc.
Finally I showed him the result of two days of attending his mickey-mouse course and asked if he thought that what I held in my hand was acceptable as something to give to any potential employer.
He looked so crestfallen I almost felt sorry for him.

My only advice, regarding any dealings with the jobcentre/new deal/housing & council tax benefits offices, is this: if you can manage not to have anything to do with any of them, don't. You will be better off for it.
 

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Zip, I thought you were working in a mine? And didn't you consider entering the army reserves at some stage? What happened, dude?

Well, Quite a funny story about that.

I was telling my Girlfriend on a Thursday night how Crap and Dangerous it is working in a run down **** hole like it is, and said that i should just quit and find something else.

Roll on the Friday Afternoon and the Boss come up to me and fires me for "Having a Lack of Interest in what i do"

Its actually quite an amusing way to get fired, especially when you tell people the excuse and watch the facial expressions:p

Im Actually joining the Army as A full-timer, But i wont be medically cleared to continue my application process until July due to having Orthotics and needing to prove i can go with out them:rolleyes:

Roll on July!:D
 
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some people genuinely cant find employment though this is going to do more harm than good imo.

loads will get trapped working for the dole with no time to better themselfs or find a proper job.

the rest will be told they have to be in any crap job because you cant refuse a job offer.

great lets see all these ex uni students who cant find work working in mc donalds or where ever great idea.

if you have qualifications but are having a hard time finding a job in your field dont despair theres always bar work for you

Blame the people that ruined it for the rest of you. We can't afford to keep supporting scroungers.

Personally I'd have gone for a firing squad option and called it 'HANDS UP NOT HANDOUTS'. :D
 
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Tbh i wish the goverments forced jobs on employers. I.e instead of employer interviewing etc the jobcenter can hire them onbehalf of the companies. That way the employer gets a person and they cant refuse. Do this with all jobs to force anyone that can do the job. Employers cant refuse by law from what they get. And they have to have a minimum time of 3 months before a request to fire them is awarded to employer so yep as described more or less employers cannot fire anyone unless the company is going out of business. Which should prevent layoffs etc.

Meh been up since 5am so if i didnt make sence i dont care lol.
 
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As one or two have mentioned these Goverment Training Scheme's, etc, are nothing new they just get rehashed by each Goverment who gets into power. They were in place when l was young just another way of keeping the jobless figure's down, l'm 55 now.

How the Goverment think you can learn a trade or skill as they put it in 6 month's a year. Then why does it take from 3 > 5 yrs in some case's. Yes you start at the bottom go to college, but you also learn by being on the job and learn by seeing how various faults are found and repaired. Then coming out of your apprenticeship and appyling what you have learned, gaining more expericence as you go along.

I've done one or two of these course's, and they have been no help at all, just getting a extra £10 aweek to cover travel and meals. Left school with a few qualification's(average results) always found reading and my commend of english poor. But never was work shy you name it l've done it, even when married with two kid's. Lucky got a start for British Rail as a Carrige Cleaner then Shunter made Train Driver eventualy.

But had to retire due to ilhealth, as people have mentioned you get very little help if you have worked all your live's. Payed tax's, etc, as most people don't know the in's and out's of the benefit system you get very little in return, Yet most of us know some one that has done no or very little work and have cars, out drinking most days, house is like a palace.

Thing's have got to change where the workers get rewarded ie: proper benefits when unfortunetly unemployed and the work shy get penalised.

Sorry for taking so long.
 
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Thing's have got to change where the workers get rewarded ie: proper benefits when unfortunetly unemployed and the work shy get penalised.

Sorry for taking so long.

I think the problem is there isn't a decent formulaic way of determining who *is unfortunately unemployed* and who *is work shy*

:(

Everyone wishes there was .. everyone hates the scroungers.
 
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IMAO, two double posts in todays, sorry folks, l'll blame it on old age lol.

As one or two have mentioned these Goverment Training Scheme's, etc, are nothing new they just get rehashed by each Goverment who gets into power. They were in place when l was young just another way of keeping the jobless figure's down, l'm 55 now.

How the Goverment think you can learn a trade or skill as they put it in 6 month's a year. Then why does it take from 3 > 5 yrs in some case's. Yes you start at the bottom go to college, but you also learn by being on the job and learn by seeing how various faults are found and repaired. Then coming out of your apprenticeship and appyling what you have learned, gaining more expericence as you go along.

I've done one or two of these course's, and they have been no help at all, just getting a extra £10 aweek to cover travel and meals. Left school with a few qualification's(average results) always found reading and my commend of english poor. But never was work shy you name it l've done it, even when married with two kid's. Lucky got a start for British Rail as a Carrige Cleaner then Shunter made Train Driver eventualy.

But had to retire due to ilhealth, as people have mentioned you get very little help if you have worked all your live's. Payed tax's, etc, as most people don't know the in's and out's of the benefit system you get very little in return, Yet most of us know some one that has done no or very little work and have cars, out drinking most days, house is like a palace.

Thing's have got to change where the workers get rewarded ie: proper benefits when unfortunetly unemployed and the work shy get penalised.

Sorry for taking so long.
 
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you are a moron, u just did what the tories wanted u to do with this soundbite, u were spun by the tory spin!

:D Yeah something like that. OR, Being someone who grew up pretty much next door to a council estate in Manchester and has seen what the "real world" is like, I am a little tired of getting myself into £13,000 debt for my degree; taking internships, volunteering etc so i can be very good at what I do and earn the nice things in life, to turn around and see that people are being given free houses, sky TV, flat screen TV's, etc for pretty much no cost and no effort on their behalf. Prisoners have it easier than I do also.

So i ask you again - spin?
 
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My ex-boss got stung recently actually.

Job centre phones up

'Great news .. Wagamamas restaurant is looking for a dish-washer, they don't even need interview, you can start tomorrow. Minimum wage. 12 hour days. They choose the hours. No benefits. Enjoy.'

My boss

'I was on 65K a year. I'm not going to do washing up. I need to spend the time job searching, I'm a professional IT manager.'

The job centre

'OK you have refused a job, therefore you are not a job-seeker, therefore you get no more job seeker's allowance. hahaha'.


Basically it was a sting .. if he'd accepted the job he'd have not had any time to attend interview for anything decent (wagamamas made it clear 'no time off without masses of notice'). They got him on a catch-22.

Couple of things sound odd here.

1. With the sort of Salary he was on, surely he had/has savings therefore would not be eligable to Job Seekers allowence????

2. Why would someone who had such a good salary NEED to receive JSA? Was this guy poor with money? A gambler? OK jk about last one.

3. Your story sounds a bit odd, and I'm pretty sure the Jobcenter would take on board that the ex-manager is more qualified for something more "suitable" if not (and I stress IF NOT) then its lump it or leave it. It he wants JSA then end of the day he has to take the job or do without

Frankly I am bemused as to how he even was eligable to get it in the first place.
 
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I thought this had been well publicised before the manifesto release, for at least a month now??

yep, this country has too many handouts hitting Mr. average earner, we need a fairer tax system too.

Certainly one of the top things I'm looking in the next government. Shame there's only 3 to choice from though.. I'm fed up with the lies and let downs of Labour and Tories. I'm sort of swinging toward Lib-Dem.
 
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I think the problem is there isn't a decent formulaic way of determining who *is unfortunately unemployed* and who *is work shy*

:(

Everyone wishes there was .. everyone hates the scroungers.

That's why the best solution is to eliminate such testing and create a guaranteed income that makes it always more beneficial to work. It cuts down on unnecessary administration work as well.
 
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Couple of things sound odd here.

1. With the sort of Salary he was on, surely he had/has savings therefore would not be eligable to Job Seekers allowence????

2. Why would someone who had such a good salary NEED to receive JSA? Was this guy poor with money? A gambler? OK jk about last one.

3. Your story sounds a bit odd, and I'm pretty sure the Jobcenter would take on board that the ex-manager is more qualified for something more "suitable" if not (and I stress IF NOT) then its lump it or leave it. It he wants JSA then end of the day he has to take the job or do without

Frankly I am bemused as to how he even was eligable to get it in the first place.

I was made redundant about 4 weeks ago and I just signed on last week.

1. Salary is irrelevant if you sign on for contributions based JSA which lasts for 6 months which then you then go over to income based. With contributions based JSA is doesnt matter what your salary was, how much savings/investments you have or whether your partner works more than 20hrs a week. All that matters is that you paid NI for over 2 years. With income based JSA all that stuff gets taken into consideration.

2. I dont need to go on JSA but I am claiming it. Why ? Because firstly I wanted to become a JSA statistic because I am ****** off because this lying piece of **** government are understating the amount of people that are unemployed in this country. Secondly because I have paid a shed load of tax I am going to claim for what I am entitled to.

3. Britboy is making it up or his boss was lying. I design mobile phone base station equipment which is pretty specialist work which also isnt very abundant. I was told you are not allowed to turn down work. I then asked under what cirumstances, did I have to take a job cleaning toilets etc. The job centre person said no, you dont have to take a job thats not related directly to your job skill for the first 6 months. After that you will have to take a job that is a lesser role in your specialist field and so on.

I also asked, because of my skills I could do MOD work on radar etc. This could mean working on guidance systems on missiles of which I would be morally against. Would I be forced into taking a job like this even though I would be against doing it. The job centre person said that would be taken into consideration and no you wouldnt be forced into taking the job as it would be understandable why someone would refuse to take such a job.
 
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