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London Bridge Incident

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by XeNoN89, 3 Jun 2017.

  1. Angilion

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    Why are you allowed to have opaque walls in your house? That means you're hiding something, right? Must be something bad. Very bad.

    You do understand the concept of privacy and freedom, despite claiming not to. You might draw the line in a different place, but you do understand that there is a line.

    Even without that line, outlawing private communication has practical problems with it. Make no mistake, that is what's being proposed. Broken encyption is not encryption at all. Even if you believe that everyone who is ever authorised to spy on people will always be completely trustworthy for all of the future (a bloody silly belief, obviously, especially since it will include numerous civil servants, local council officials, etc, etc) it still won't matter because broken encryption is not encryption and anyone can read unencrypted stuff. You'd make it dangerous for some victims to ask for help because there would be no private way for them to do so. You'd make it dangerous for anyone to use any form of modern communication if someone (an abusive ex, for example) might be after them. You'd make it dangerous for anyone to provide anyone with evidence of any wrongdoing, since you'd make it impossible for them to do so privately without a face to face meeting. Assuming you'd allow people to talk to other people in person and in private. You shouldn't, since you argument applies equally well to that.
     
  2. delta0

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    They will struggle to communicate through those. I don't think they are talking about banning encryption everywhere. It is communication apps.
     
  3. a1ex2001

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    Someone needs to go and read the snoopers charter already enacted and the proposed future legislation May and the torries proposals require the monitoring of everyone and we all know how sensible the police and local councils were when they last got the powers to snoop on suspected serious criminals and instead went crazy on spying on everyone and anyone.
     
  4. hornetstinger

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    Nope. If I'm walking around with a gun, trying to shoot the terrorists, then I'm most likely going to be shot by a policeman, or another civilian with a gun, or I'll shoot civilians holding guns thinking that they're terrorists.
     
  5. Caged

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    Can everybody who is an expert in cryptography and internet communications make themselves known please.
     
  6. Rroff

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    I once wrote an XOR function and programmed winsock does that count?
     
  7. sigma

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    I think we should ban knives.
     
  8. stewski

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    The police did not use a POLICY how many times, Corbyn and others (myself included) think a blanket policy on how highly trained officers respond is foolish!
     
  9. Caracus2k

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    Just saying that the Libyan embassy siege now results in anyone in vaguely 'tactical' gear being labelled as 'SAS' by some people
     
  10. Matteh

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    Banning knives doesn't go far enough. I vote for a full cutlery ban.
     
  11. delta0

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    The police can knock on the door and come in. It isn't an armoured fortress. This is the same in the virtual world where intelligence services can easily "knock one the door and come in." If someone's house was a fortress with reinforced door and blocked out windows you would get suspicious.
     
  12. Caged

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    I imagine that elevates you into the top 1% of people qualified to discuss such a topic.
     
  13. Aedus

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    I'm sure it'll be very difficult for someone to create a messaging app and distribute the APK.

    Meanwhile everyone else has to have their privacy invaded.
     
  14. sigma

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    What about napkins?
     
  15. Caged

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    What is your position on sporks?
     
  16. Rroff

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    The whole topic (including spanning over to the Manchester thread) as to why I posted originally and responded here was demonstrating that it was likely not SAS - though you can never be sure.
     
  17. Aedus

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    You could potentially put a harmful substance on them, best to ban them too.
     
  18. Matteh

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    Napkins can be used to pass coded messages. Ban.

    Sporks!? That's like an assault spoon. 100% ban.
     
  19. adolf hamster

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    oh god we've got onto the encryption argument again, it's getting pretty tedious explaining the very simple premise that terrorism, which existed and indeed thrived before the internet, is not going to magically stop because everybody's credit card details and porn habits are on a government database.

    internet based blackmail- now that's going to go through the roof when said credit card details and porn viewing habits get hacked/leaked/"lost" by the government, who's history of data security is absolutely definitely 100% impeccable yes sir!
     
  20. Angilion

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    Yadda yadda, TIN FOIL HAT, blah blah.

    Once a person uses that phrase seriously, the rest of the post becomes meaningless.

    But go on, I'm off work today and I have time to waste. What silly conspiracy have you made up and pretended is in my head rather than yours? Alien lizard overlords in disguise? Chemtrails? Vaccination causes heroin addiction? Fake moon landings? Or have you devised something new?