More guns, less crime
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How predictable. I'm thankful at least that you have no legislative influence
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Look, in all seriousness, I've stated my view very clearly. I just don't believe that I should rely on anyone other than myself to defend my family and home. I know you feel otherwise, and that's fine. I'm not going to try and convince you.
As regards legislative influence, you're mistaken. I am a voter and can lobby No.10 in exactly the same way anyone else can. Whether they'll listen is another matter of course - the Government seems to want the general public to become more and more risk averse while continuing to support state sanctioned murder. A bizarre contradiction.
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LOL? I presume thats a joke. As it's obviously rubbish! Compared to a pistol you want a shotty? Off the top of my head - Bad manouverability (slow to turn). Bad in enclosed spaces (pain to walk into the front room with). Not accurate. Spread too great (ask a friend if you don't know what this means). Loud cocking. Slow reload. only 2 shots. Difficult to conceal. Cumbersome. Heavy. Lot of recoil.
Deary me
Your gonna send a guy wandering round his house carrying a shotty over a pistol? Please please tell me it was a joke! :/
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I don't like to disappoint
Look, in all seriousness, I've stated my view very clearly.
Oh, you were joking?
OK, my turn...You know that one of these is much cheaper and safer than a gun, right?
Soldato
Oh, you were joking?
You know that one of these is much cheaper and safer than a gun, right?
I prefer an over and under to a pump action
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LOL? I presume thats a joke. As it's obviously rubbish! Compared to a pistol you want a shotty? Off the top of my head - Bad manouverability (slow to turn). Bad in enclosed spaces (pain to walk into the front room with). Not accurate. Spread too great (ask a friend if you don't know what this means). Loud cocking. Slow reload. only 2 shots. Difficult to conceal. Cumbersome. Heavy. Lot of recoil.
Deary me
So you'd prefer to face someone who would be carrying a pistol, because they'd be ideal in the house, over someone carrying a knife because the shotty is; Bad manouverability (slow to turn). Bad in enclosed spaces (pain to walk into the front room with). Not accurate. Spread too great. Loud cocking. Slow reload. only 2 shots. Difficult to conceal. Cumbersome. Heavy. Lot of recoil.
Deary me
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Unless you live in certain parts of london where black youths have practically re written the book on gun mastery by perfecting their art on innocent victims every day.
But I think the better solution is for everyone to own a taser.
they seem to shoot other black gang members more tbh.
and fairly poorly at that if the news is anything to go by.
LOL? I presume thats a joke. As it's obviously rubbish! Compared to a pistol you want a shotty? Off the top of my head - Bad manouverability (slow to turn). Bad in enclosed spaces (pain to walk into the front room with). Not accurate. Spread too great (ask a friend if you don't know what this means). Loud cocking. Slow reload. only 2 shots. Difficult to conceal. Cumbersome. Heavy. Lot of recoil.
Deary me
lol at a shotgun not being accurate and having large spread inside a house.
Soldato
Might as well make it a consealed rubber knife. When you pull it out the perpetrator will still be shocked. Like the Iraq WMD defence strategy...oh wait.
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LOL
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If guns are put back into circulation I wouldn't leave the house without body armour.
what you need is the
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LOL? I presume thats a joke. As it's obviously rubbish! Compared to a pistol you want a shotty? Off the top of my head - Bad manouverability (slow to turn). Bad in enclosed spaces (pain to walk into the front room with). Not accurate. Spread too great (ask a friend if you don't know what this means). Loud cocking. Slow reload. only 2 shots. Difficult to conceal. Cumbersome. Heavy. Lot of recoil.
Deary me
Actually generally he's right and you're wrong, except in the case of people who have a lot of experience in Practical Pistol. The spread is actually the most important part: if you seriously think the average person could hit anything smaller than a barn door with a pistol, in a house, at night, while hyped on adrenaline, you would appear to know little about shooting. You'd need most of the rounds in the mag to stand a chance of hitting your target. And if you're merely after firing a warning shot, nothing says "I surrender" better than shotgun going off. Any burglar won't care that you only have one left: they know that they will get hit and it will hurt a lot. And one would have to assume that if pistols were allowed, so would pumps, meaning you have at least four left in fact. Even if you just plan to scare them, a shotgun still trumps a pistol. The lack of manoeuvrability is an issue but not a fatal one.
All of which brings up the biggest problem with arming the citizenry: by and large they are untrained idiots. We are talking a citizenry whose favourite paper is The Sun. Still want to arm them?
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British people with guns?
Imagine any city centre on a Friday night, it would be like the O.K. Corral.
Imagine any city centre on a Friday night, it would be like the O.K. Corral.
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the real reason why we are disarmed isn't for our well being, your very naive if you believe that.
the real reason is that you cannot allow slaves to be armed, its simple... its for the governments/elites safety not the public.
the real reason is that you cannot allow slaves to be armed, its simple... its for the governments/elites safety not the public.
Ah, in that case I'll point out that your opinion is wrong, because it isn't supported by evidence in the slightest.
It worked before the handgun ban as well, apart from their rare incident of Dunblane. The people we don't want to have them have guns now, so that isn't really an issue. The law only takes weapons from the law abiding.
What else do you propose to ban? Martial arts? all forms of self defence?
The police can't defend the people, that's not their job, they are a reactive force who respond after the crime has been committed...
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Because despite what you may think, most criminals don't want to kill people. What tends to happen in places with strong self defence laws and high weapon ownership is that burglars concentrate on empty houses, not that they go around killing homeowners.
So you'd prefer to face someone who would be carrying a pistol, because they'd be ideal in the house, over someone carrying a knife because the shotty is; Bad manouverability (slow to turn). Bad in enclosed spaces (pain to walk into the front room with). Not accurate. Spread too great. Loud cocking. Slow reload. only 2 shots. Difficult to conceal. Cumbersome. Heavy. Lot of recoil.
Deary me
The compact shotguns for home defense availble in europe/usa are
Short, 3-8 shots, semi auto absorbs the recoil, the pattern at under 20yds is going to be small and a direct hit would be fatal.