I'd rather that the burglar never came because he knew I'd shoot him if he did. Just like my plans to castrate criminals. If you give people a reason not to be criminals they will make informed decisions, and very few people would ever be castrated. Every study ever done has shown criminals involved in things like burglary to be surprisingly rational and calculating.
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I'd rather that the burglar never came because he knew I'd shoot him if he did. Just like my plans to castrate criminals. If you give people a reason not to be criminals they will make informed decisions, and very few people would ever be castrated. Every study ever done has shown criminals involved in things like burglary to be surprisingly rational and calculating.
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This is what I'd like - $250.
We have a very different culture over here and there is no place for personal protection firearms in it.
If everyone was allowed to carry a gun the country would be a much scarier place. I'm sure everyone can think of a situation where they could say "Oh but if I had a gun I wouldn't have been mugged". Sure, you'd probably have been shot dead, then mugged.
Which is worse :/
We don't have the prison space to lock everyone up that's dangerous.
If everyone was allowed to carry a gun the country would be a much scarier place. I'm sure everyone can think of a situation where they could say "Oh but if I had a gun I wouldn't have been mugged". Sure, you'd probably have been shot dead, then mugged.
Which is worse :/
We don't have the prison space to lock everyone up that's dangerous.
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Well apply for a firearms certificate and hang a sign on your house.
Guns are legal, people are just lazy to get the appropriate licencing and want to be able to walk in a shop and pick one up like a box of cornflakes.
I don't get it really, people are fine with getting a licence to drive a car, to fish, to watch tv. But as soon as gun ownership comes in no one can be bothered.
I've been stabbed, i'd rather be stabbed than shot though. It's all well and fine saying "If i'd had a gun" but chances are, they would have also had a gun and shot you instead if firearms were uncontrolled.
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In your opinion. I disagree, and am sure I'm not alone.
A dead criminal doesn't need a cell.
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It seems today that the bird is the word (sorry 
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I was listening to the PM's comments on the whole "Why did he have a gun?" and Gun control issue, one of the "experts" they had interviewed said that gun licenses are strict in the UK but to me the way he described the process that leads to a successful application didn't seem that strict?
They check your medical records, contact your doctor, check criminal records and you must have a valid reason for the application (farmland protection, shooting range or whatever).
By that reasoning almost anyone who is a sensible citizen with no criminal record or medical condition could own a gun license as long as they can show they have a reason to no?
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I don't like guns in the hands of the general public, it's too risky.
)I was listening to the PM's comments on the whole "Why did he have a gun?" and Gun control issue, one of the "experts" they had interviewed said that gun licenses are strict in the UK but to me the way he described the process that leads to a successful application didn't seem that strict?
They check your medical records, contact your doctor, check criminal records and you must have a valid reason for the application (farmland protection, shooting range or whatever).
By that reasoning almost anyone who is a sensible citizen with no criminal record or medical condition could own a gun license as long as they can show they have a reason to no?
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I don't like guns in the hands of the general public, it's too risky.
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I think I might do this actually. Apply for a shotgun license and keep it in a locker in my bedroom.
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Step by step guide here.
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Why does that surprise you? It appears to be a perfectly reasonable situation to me.
I think your time in the military has given you a unique view of the world.
Here on civvie street, we can't just go around shooting people to solve our problems.
most burglers wait till (they think) the home owner is out, so its not going to stop them.
a thousand different ways to kill 20 people? its not easy to make a bomb thats one way... a cross bow (but much slower to reload than a gun), a car but you would have to be very very careful with your target if poeple see a car speeding towards them they will move out of the way..
if you were thinking any sort of weapon you have to weild you will soon get overpowered..
how often have has someone been killed in their own home by an intruder, and how many accidental shooting do you think there will be if we let the average idiot have a gun?
i don't even trust me with a knife... my missus got rid of the meat clever (As well as our axe and sledge hammer)... also the spare petrol for the mower.. sigh....
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I've not commented at all in the other thread, as I felt that thread wasn't the place for it..
But having loads of middle aged men with shotguns, running around trying to hunt down a middle aged gun with a shotgun is not going to end well!
we do shoot people by proxy... we wanted to get the oil in iraq (or what ever the reason was) so the government who were elected by the people sent our army there to kill the enemy...
the army did not decide to go kill people over there for fun...
now sadam is gone and we are killing all the taliban our country is a much safer place...................................
I didn't say gun ownership would prevent all burglaries, but they would reduce them substantially. It would certainly increase the chances of a burglar wanting to do it when you are out, which in my mind is far better than them doing it when I'm here, even if it's still highly unacceptable.
As for your final line about an average idiot having a gun. Nowhere did any of us legal gun ownership supporters said a single word about idiots being able to get legal guns. Obviously the requirements for getting a gun would be strict, the guns (and ammunition) would need to be traceable. It is possible to legally own firearms in this country right now, but the rules are strict and the application process is tough. No idiot is going to get anywhere near a gun under a sane legal gun ownership scheme.
This is the trouble with the Guardian folk, they automatically think legal guns means them being sold in Tesco alongside alchohol so that everyone can buy them and subsequently run around in the street waving them at everyone who looks at them funny.
why do people think that burglars or other petty criminals will be deterred by you/I having a gun? They will just bring their own gun as well. Is there a link between gun ownership and dropping rates of burglaries/muggings? I haven't seen any such link/statistic anywhere yet.
Exactly my point, if guns were freely available to purchase and own that junkie would have shot you dead without a second thought - now you have a second chance to live. What do you think if junkies/chavs/retards get the opportunity to own a gun? Legal abiding citizens will not have more protection simply because altercations and attacks are too sudden or based on the surprise factor for you to react (i.e. a person comes behind you and puts a gun on your back, what do you do? by the time you make a move to reach for your weapon he has shot you dead already).
I don't think weapons command respect at all. Idiots will be idiots and they won't take notice of you carrying a weapon simply because they are idiots. Especially criminally idiotic people are prime cases of weapon abuse and pointless killing (i.e. USA style drive-by's with innocent bystanders getting shot down, gangland killings escalating etc etc). If you think teenage gun murders are high now in London imagine what it would be like if all those trash had access to guns, seriously..
Access to guns would have - likely - resulted you in being dead, or at least increased those probabilities much more than at present.
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Yes, this is true - war is just state sanctioned murder.
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I never said I was surprised by that?
I hinted at the fact that people like the PM are saying we have very strict gun control rules but it's actually not that hard to apply and get a license unless I've heard wrong on the news!
It' harder to get a driving license these days
Japan on the other hand has excellent gun control!
http://www.davekopel.com/2a/lawrev/japanese_gun_control.htm
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