Motorsport Off Topic Thread

PinkFloyd · 29 Jul 2016 at 13:36

Skeeter said:
In the latest episodes of "Rules that have been adjusted following Rosberg getting let off lightly", any Qualifying lap now set while driving through a double yellow flag zone will be deleted, which removes any incentive for a driver to drive through the zone quickly.

Euuurgh. Which will probably then lead to drivers in chaotic wet qualifying sessions not having set proper lap times and being investigated for being over the 107% cut off...

Gotta love F1 rules!

MooMoo444 · 29 Jul 2016 at 17:27

Historically when it's been wet they turn a blind eye to the 107% rule.

MarcLister · 29 Jul 2016 at 18:23

Vertigo1 said:
I get the feeling someone actually stood up in a meeting somewhere and said "this is ridiculous".

It was probably Bernie and he didn't stand up; he was already standing up.

Skeeter · 29 Jul 2016 at 19:02

PinkFloyd said:
Euuurgh. Which will probably then lead to drivers in chaotic wet qualifying sessions not having set proper lap times and being investigated for being over the 107% cut off... Gotta love F1 rules!

They have changed their mind and will now just red flag sessions instead.

cu3ed · 29 Jul 2016 at 20:49

So what about all the drivers so far that have been screwed over for not getting technical help during races that could have helped placed them higher, when others just simply got away with the rule breaking.

FIA really have no clue what to do with the sport.

Skeeter · 29 Jul 2016 at 20:53

Got away with it?

Merlin5 · 30 Jul 2016 at 17:09

This is meant to be Schumacher but I think it perhaps sums up Kimi Raikkonen

https://www.vidivodo.com/hugh-laurie-f1-driver

ThestigGT999 · 31 Jul 2016 at 15:26

Regarding F1, hopefully this V6 era will end soon and return to V8's
As they are more cost effective plus less boring as more team will be competitive

Skeeter · 31 Jul 2016 at 15:38

I would tell you to stop trolling, but apparently the mods have decided your 'contributions' are perfectly valid and anyone who questions that is worthy of an infraction.

So yeah, as you were. I think there's a few other threads you haven't posted in.

Ignore him if you can't be respectful - BaZ87

ThestigGT999 · 31 Jul 2016 at 16:33

Skeeter said:
I would tell you to stop trolling, but apparently the mods have decided your 'contributions' are perfectly valid and anyone who questions that is worthy of an infraction.

So yeah, as you were. I think there's a few other threads you haven't posted in.

well stop trolling if you don't want to debate the points I made

Skeeter · 31 Jul 2016 at 16:46

What point did you make?

KiNgPiN83 · 31 Jul 2016 at 16:48

ThestigGT999 said:
Regarding F1, hopefully this V6 era will end soon and return to V8's
As they are more cost effective plus less boring as more team will be competitive

Why would you want slower screamier cars?

ThestigGT999 · 31 Jul 2016 at 17:04

KiNgPiN83 said:
Why would you want slower screamier cars?

V8 are more likely cheaper for the smaller teams and overall increase competition as they are cheaper to develop

Skeeter · 31 Jul 2016 at 17:08

The V8s aren't being made any more. All the machining is gone. They were only cheap because everyone was making the exact same engine for 8 years.

To bring them back now would mean retooling for them. The manufacturers would have to invest in different manufacturing and they would come in a lot more expensive than they were.

And that's before you take into consideration that they are slower, less economic, and old. Plus Mercedes, Renault, and Honda would all leave so it would be a single spec series with Ferrari engines, if it even survived.

5 of the 8 V8 years were won by Renault too, so hardly more competitive.

So I ask again, what was your point?

ThestigGT999 · 31 Jul 2016 at 17:28

2012 V8
5 different teams won races
McLaren-Mercedes
Ferrari
Mercedes
Bull-Renault
Williams-Renault

2013 V8
4 different teams won races

Lotus
Redbull
Mercedes
Ferrari

2014 V6
only 2

Mercedes
Redbull

2015 V6

again only two teams
Mercedes
Ferrari

Skeeter · 31 Jul 2016 at 17:32

Why are you counting teams rather than engine manufacturers?

And what's wrong with 2006-2011?

Skeeter · 31 Jul 2016 at 17:36

When the V8s were designed Max Verstappen was 8 years old, and the iPhone wasn't a thing.

MissChief · 31 Jul 2016 at 17:39

Skeeter said:
The V8s aren't being made any more. All the machining is gone. They were only cheap because everyone was making the exact same engine for 8 years.

To bring them back now would mean retooling for them. The manufacturers would have to invest in different manufacturing and they would come in a lot more expensive than they were.

And that's before you take into consideration that they are slower, less economic, and old. Plus Mercedes, Renault, and Honda would all leave so it would be a single spec series with Ferrari engines, if it even survived.

5 of the 8 V8 years were won by Renault too, so hardly more competitive.

So I ask again, what was your point?

This, that and what he said. There were very valid reasons to move to the Hybrid V6 and ditch the V8's. Most of which Skeeter has mentioned. And anyway the current engines have been extended through to the end of 2020 if my memory serves. The manufacturers have spent £100's of millions developing the V6 so won't want to throw all that investment into the bin and then completely retool, again, for a NA V8 that has zero relevance to road car engines and thus makes F1 a very expensive marketing exercise which few manufacturers will swallow, as opposed to at least some R&D.

Oh and improving the V8's and gaining more horsepower also cost millions as even getting an extra 5HP or 10ftlbs of torque was very difficult. That and they were unbearably noisy. Sure, nice to hear for about five minutes then just LOUD.

Skeeter · 31 Jul 2016 at 17:42

I would also expect the current manufacturers to sue F1 too, as they committed to the V6 based on it being around until at least 2018 initially (I think), and now 2020. They have an expected income over the next 4 years which they use to justify the initial outlay, and so would be claiming for lost earnings if the FIA back track.

How much were the engines in 2006, first season of V8s?

ThestigGT999 · 31 Jul 2016 at 17:43

ok
2006
3 teams
renault
Ferrari
Honda

also only a 5 point gap between ferrari and renault

2007
only two

2008
McLaren-Mercedes
Toro Rosso-Ferrari
Renault
BMW Sauber
Ferrari

2009
Redbull
Ferrari
Brawn-Mercedes
McLaren-Mercedes

2010
Redbull
Ferrari
McLaren-Mercedes

2011
Redbull
Ferrari
McLaren-Mercedes