MS Flight Simulator Build

benzini · 19 Sep 2020 at 18:09

Forgive me my PC building brethren, it has been 8 years since my last build ...

I'm looking to build a new PC that can run MSFS will all settings at ultra whilst still maintaining a decent FPS, I'm already on the list for an RTX 3080 so while waiting for that to ship I thought I'd start gathering everything else, thing is, it's been a number of years since I last built a system so I'm a bit out of touch, very comfortable with the build process, I used to build around 5-8 PC's a year for family and friends back in the day.

So, as I already mentioned, the RTX 3080 has already been purchased, hopefully it will arrive some time this year, I'm not interested in having a window in my case or RGB disco fans, RAM etc. and the PC needs to be as quiet running as possible when not gaming, other than that I'd like to aim for something along the following lines:

Ryzen CPU - Would it be worth waiting for 4000 series, either to buy a 4000 or for 3000 prices to fall?
32/64Gb RAM - MSFS seems to utilise as much as you can throw at it.
NVMe System drive - I also have 3 x SATA SSD's in my current system that I'll be re-using.
Mid Tower Case
4K 27" Monitor - Limited space at the moment so will go bigger in the future.
Don't require a KB/Mouse will be re-using my current ones.

No budget in mind but try not to go too crazy!

Thanks in advance!

Benzini

BUDFORCE · 19 Sep 2020 at 18:49

Id say definitely worth waiting for Ryzen 4000.

Best case scenario your looking about 3 weeks.

orbitalwalsh · 19 Sep 2020 at 20:13

Intel, 4 cores and max speed. Could wait for Ryzen. And then jump in pre-order queue like what happened with RTX 3000, rtx 2000, intel 10/9th launch and Zen2 launch . Just with Covid on top .

Ram latency plays a part, intel you can get away with it, but it can also take faster ram kits easier in higher stick numbers . But £200 can get you 64GB of ram !

Expect Nov in store for Zen3 . Believe launch to tie in with Console launches along with Rx6000

benzini · 21 Sep 2020 at 10:07

Interesting ... thanks for the responses @BUDFORCE and @orbitalwalsh

orbitalwalsh - I assume the 'higher stick numbers' comment relates to some other forum posts I've seen about Ryzen disliking more than 2 sticks of RAM, lots of people seem to experience issues when trying to use 4 or more sticks ... is that correct?

I'm a bit torn now, I thought Ryzen was the way to go but maybe sticking with Intel is the less complicated path ...

mickyflinn · 21 Sep 2020 at 10:25

This is an interesting read mite help you decide

How Much CPU Does the GeForce RTX 3080 Need?

https://www-tomshardware-com.cdn.am...eforce-rtx-3080-ampere-cpu-scaling-benchmarks

benzini · 21 Sep 2020 at 12:13

Very interesting, if I'm reading it correctly it looks like Intel have got a slight edge when it comes down to FPS performance ...

Well, this is as far as I got over the weekend with a Ryzen build, bit of a steep learning curve after being out of the game for so long:

My basket at Overclockers UK:

1 x Gigabyte B550 AORUS Elite (AMD AM4) B550 ATX Motherboard= £154.99
1 x be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 CPU Cooler= £79.99
1 x Corsair RM Series RM850 850W '80 Plus Gold' Modular Power Supply (CP-9020196-UK)= £114.95
1 x Corsair Vengeance LPX Black 32GB (2x16GB) 3600 MHz AMD Ryzen Tuned DDR4 Memory Dual Kit= £149.99
1 x WD Blue SN550 1TB NVME M.2 2280 PCIe Gen3 Solid State Drive (WDS100T2B0C)= £109.99
1 x AMD Ryzen 9 3900X Twelve Core 4.6GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail= £475.00

Total: £1,096.01 (includes shipping: £11.10)

No case at the moment, still deciding ...

After a lot of reading about delivery timelines etc I thought it might be best to get something top end 3000 series for now and then look at upgrading the CPU to 4000 series at a later date once things settle down, assuming I'll even feel the need to move to a 4000 series CPU with a build like this.

Right, I'm off to learn about the Intel side of things now so I can piece together a comparison.

Any comments, thoughts, suggestions about the Ryzen build (or Intel build suggestions) are most welcome.

orbitalwalsh · 21 Sep 2020 at 13:42

@benzini

With ram sticks. ryzen memory controller has gotten better along with design of the boards. currently Ryzen 4700GE handles 4 sticks at 4000hz on b550 just fine. hopefully Zen3/Ryzen 4*** will.

YES, intel has advantage with FS2020 due to clock speed and lack of cores being used

build above looks solid ! if you plan to go ryzen 4*** then get 3700x and save cash

as for cases. loving the new Corsair 4000D!!! Corsair finally getting back on track. 750D/900D use to be the cases back in the day! was either silverstone TJ07 or Corsaiir 900D for water builds! which im guessing will be popular gain due the heat of rtx 3*** !

Performs equal to the Base 500DX

My basket at Overclockers UK:

1 x Corsair 4000D Airflow Mid-Tower Case - Black Tempered Glass (CC-9011200-WW)= £79.99

Total: £79.99 (includes shipping: £0.00)

But the ETA... :/

Intel version

My basket at Overclockers UK:

1 x Intel Core i9-10850K 3.6GHz (Comet Lake) Socket LGA1200 Processor - Retail= £428.99
1 x Gigabyte Z490 Aorus Elite AC (Socket LGA 1200) DDR4 ATX Motherboard= £199.99
1 x Corsair Vengeance LPX Black 32GB (2x16GB) 3200 MHz AMD Ryzen Tuned DDR4 Memory Dual Kit= £119.99
1 x be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 CPU Cooler= £79.99
1 x Corsair RM Series RM850 850W '80 Plus Gold' Modular Power Supply (CP-9020196-UK)= £114.95
1 x WD Blue SN550 1TB NVME M.2 2280 PCIe Gen3 Solid State Drive (WDS100T2B0C)= £109.99

Total: £1,053.90 (includes shipping: £0.00)

mickyflinn · 21 Sep 2020 at 13:52

Msi are doing cashback on selected motherboards, would go that route.

https://uk.msi.com/Promotion/back-to-school-2020#Desktop

Plec · 21 Sep 2020 at 14:00

orbitalwalsh said:
750D/900D use to be the cases back in the day!

Back in the day?

I only just parted with mine - admittedly it was in the loft, but still looks great (needless to say windowless version

)

orbitalwalsh · 21 Sep 2020 at 14:07

mickyflinn said:
Msi are doing cashback on selected motherboards, would go that route.

https://uk.msi.com/Promotion/back-to-school-2020#Desktop

long as they're not using 3rd party companies agaiin to take 3 months plus its a sweetener

Plec said:
Back in the day?

I only just parted with mine - admittedly it was in the loft, but still looks great (needless to say windowless version )

got rid of my tj07 a year ago... but no window.. was hard. like 9 years old! housed a PA120.4 RAD!

mickyflinn · 21 Sep 2020 at 14:16

orbitalwalsh said:
long as they're not using 3rd party companies agaiin to take 3 months plus its a sweetener

MSI says participating partners which OCUK is on the list with other big names.

orbitalwalsh · 21 Sep 2020 at 14:22

mickyflinn said:
MSI says participating partners which OCUK is on the list with other big names.

i mean MSI and ASUS have used 3rd party companies that pay the customer up to 30 days later. doont actually transfer the cash themselves to your bank. MSI got caught out 2 yearsa go on here taking 3-6 months to pay cash back due to the company MSI sued.

mickyflinn · 21 Sep 2020 at 14:23

orbitalwalsh said:
i mean MSI and ASUS have used 3rd party companies that pay the customer up to 30 days later. doont actually transfer the cash themselves to your bank. MSI got caught out 2 yearsa go on here taking 3-6 months to pay cash back due to the company MSI sued.

Oh right that's not good.

benzini · 21 Sep 2020 at 15:15

@orbitalwalsh thanks for the example Intel build, very much appreciated, it looks very similar to what I've been piecing together, one question though, given the build is going to include the RTX 3080, is PCIe 4 something that needs to be taken into consideration, I've been reading a lot of conflicting information, reading between the lines I don't think it's an issue for the RTX 3080 but might be useful for the NVME and future proofing ... would you agree?