nVidia GT300 - GeForce GTX 380 yields are sub-30%

[Rroff]

Thing with going to something like 45 or 50nm - I don't think any Fab has tried those particular nodes so it's something that would have to be worked from scratch.

I assumed as much, shame.

 

[theforce]

I was interested to see what Nvidia would bring out late or early next year. I really hope that Nvidia manages to fix these errors. From what it says here though it seems that ATI will probably be able to release a refresh at the same time or a bit later that the G300, messing Nvidia's plans once again.

 

[Klo]

* The new shader architecture is automatically 30-33% faster shader for shader, clock for clock than the 200 series and the high end part is likely to have 512 SPs at a higher clockrate... with the MIMD arch. they are also capable of atleast 4+x the workload in some situations compared to the 200 series... ROPs and TMUs are atleast doubled over the 285GTX as well.

I believe you, but I'm just wondering if you have a source for that info?

 

[Tute]

I assumed as much, shame.

Also, and don't quote me on this, but I believe that the equipment at a Fab is designed for a specific node - this is why it costs so much to run one.

For example, when you're done with 90nm and move fully to 65nm, most of your old equipment becomes useless.

So unless nVidia are willing to pay for the equipment themselves (which I doubt), any suggestion to TSMC that they should try GT300 on 45 or 50nm would probably be met with a rather straight "Foxtrot Oscar".

[Edit] Yep, seems a new node means pretty much a new Fab.

Typically an advance in chip-making technology requires a completely new fab to be built.

 

[woodstock]

its all speculation and untill there is a press release from nv or we can compare the 2 cards then not to read to much into the rumours you see.it all looks to me to be fanboys spreading silly rumors to me and before i get flamed i have either card as long as it performs like it should.

don,t you think it be better to wait till next week when ati launch there cards and nv release a upto date press statement then we will have a better picture.

 

[bru]

not necessarily related, but im sure i read that ati only have to pay tsmc for each working die whereas nvidia pay tsmc for each wafer including all the faulty dies.
ive been searching for where i read it but so far no luck.



edit: typical i spend a couple of hours searching for the snippet of info and 5 mins after i post i find it .

brightsideofnews article

 

[Tute]

I thought GlobalFoundries did the production work for AMD/ATI?

 

[Rroff]

Also, and don't quote me on this, but I believe that the equipment at a Fab is designed for a specific node - this is why it costs so much to run one.

For example, when you're done with 90nm and move fully to 65nm, most of your old equipment becomes useless.

So unless nVidia are willing to pay for the equipment themselves (which I doubt), any suggestion to TSMC that they should try GT300 on 45 or 50nm would probably be met with a rather straight "Foxtrot Oscar".

[Edit] Yep, seems a new node means pretty much a new Fab.

Pretty much as I had assumed - but I'm more in touch with the R&D process than the "physical" side of manufacturing.

 

[Zenduri]

Tbh as much fun as it is to poke at Nvidia current failure (karma anyone?) I hope they get ti sorted out so that the ATI/ Nvidia price war can continue and keep card prices down.

 

[Zarf]

This is looking like G80 vs R600, only with the roles reversed - I can see nVidia finally managing something competitive performance wise in Q2 next year, but it's never going to match on Thermals or Price by that time with R800 in full swing.
Guess I'll get a 5870 in a few weeks, hopefully it'll be the card to recreate the feat of lasting 2+ years like my 8800GTX.

All I can hope for is that nVidia can survive the next year or two (Tegra should help), have got something truly innovative in their design roadmap, and have enough fortune with processes to break back into the market. At the moment ATi's strategy looks unstoppable and the last thing we need is a one horse race (Then again, Larrabee has the potential and the resources to shake things up If Intel really want it to).

 

[Mal X]

****.........well it looks like i'll wait till may, but no bloody longer

 

[ReturnOfTheDude]

Not good, I guess we won't see the GT300 until sometime next year?

 

[Mal X]

that article as said, could be fake, these hack journalists are excellent at writing crap like this.......it reads a bit too ``tabloid``

you wont see the GT 300 till next year anyway...... but i was hoping for january

 

[JediFragger]

Well I was gonna wait a month or so for ATi prices to come down a little from launch, guess there's no point in waiting now

Might as well jump in with both feet!

 

[=VTA=MANFACE]

Well I was gonna wait a month or so for ATi prices to come down a little from launch, guess there's no point in waiting now

Might as well jump in with both feet!

Feet, Arms and head.

 

[JediFragger]

Feet, Arms and head.

Nope, gotta sell the last 2 to fund the purchase

 

[Perfect_Chaos]

Nope, gotta sell the last 2 to fund the purchase

not expecting much from nvidia?

 

[SfnX]

waw that sucks for nvidia. well they have been the dominent of the graphics card species for a while, they had to have a splinter somewhere, but maybe this ones a bit too deep.
however i have always praised nvidia cards for their reliability, ati cards are tbh all over the place in the last 2 gens of GCs, not to good at hardware bashers like crysis etc but roll in others.

Hope Nvidia sort themselves out.

 

[JediFragger]

not expecting much from nvidia?

Eh? Read the links? I personally wouldn't expect a DX11 card from nVidia within the next 6 months

I know it's not exact a super-solid source, but you'd think that if nV had anything to combat ATi we'd have heard something by now (except pricecuts on existing tech that is)

 

[Perfect_Chaos]

Eh? Read the links? I personally wouldn't expect a DX11 card from nVidia within the next 6 months

I know it's not exact a super-solid source, but you'd think that if nV had anything to combat ATi we'd have heard something by now (except pricecuts on existing tech that is)

I meant not expecting much from them when they do bring them out.