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Objections to Keir Starmer as PM?

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by g67575, 6 Apr 2021.

  1. ltron

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    Labour are going to tear themselves apart as they have been for a while and now continue to do with added gusto.

    It's certainly not Rayner's fault. My question is why was Rayner and the rest of Starmer's team effectively invisible throughout, I'd be surprised if that was their decision. I think the strategists who are advising Starmer are the ones who have got it all wrong.
     
  2. g67575

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  3. g67575

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    I don't particularly blame her, I think she is the fall girl this time.
     
  4. cheesyboy

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    Rayner's a socialist, they're moving further right. It's going to get worse.
     
  5. robfosters

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    I’ve said it on here before and I’ll say it again, Andy Burnhams the one man who could get me thinking about voting Labour again. There’s something just really likeable about the guy and he always seems to talk sense.
     
  6. g67575

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    Seems like a decent enough bloke. He likes saying sound bites a lot like 'Westminster Bubble' and that Labour has lost touch with it's values etc.

    He didn't seem to stand for much during the Labour leadership debates (policy wise). The fact that he lost to Corbyn is troubling (he got 19 percent of the vote in 2015).
     
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  7. Hagar

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    Mandelson? Prince of Darkness, spin doctor extraordinaire. He's a bit of an old timer and away from the action to blame for anything. Even unsackable by Kier.
     
  8. StriderX

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    He's definitely advising Starmer along with basically the rest of the Blairite cabal. Not unusual I suppose, but also not helpful especially in the case of Mandelson if one of the big criticisms of the government is about corruption...

    Mind you I doubt the public cares or remembers much about Mandelson, so probably doesn't matter.
     
  9. Hagar

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    One of the three plotters at the Islington restaurant that night, Gordon Brown, Tony Blair and Peter Mandelson. It would make a great novel if it were not true.
     
  10. Rroff

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    Unless the intention is to purge certain elements from the party - though seems a touch far fetched but not impossible if the Blairite types are trying to grow their influence.
     
  11. Blackjack Davy

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    What he should do is remove all traces of the hard left instead of being on the policy committee, slice that wing of the party off so they become an irrelevent echo chamber of trotskyite red flag singing, woke keyboard warrior lunatic fringe that they are. It won't happen though not without a major evisceration and blood letting within the party.

    If you mean Corbyn and McDonell's chosen one that thay can't get rid of, you're right. She's elected so can't be deposed but he can strip her of any authority which frankly the only thing he can do if Labour ever want a sniff of power ever again.
     
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  12. g67575

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    I'm wondering if this will be a mistake though, Tom Watson (previous deputy leader - who I thought was quite effective) was a thorn in the side of Corbyn that couldn't be removed. Starmer may have made an enemy of Angela Rayner for no good reason. The impression I had previously was that they were getting on well enough.
     
  13. Flake87

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    Clearly you don't live in Manchester nor read the comment on local news sites? I remember Burnhams career of abject utter failure on everything he touches like some doubly cursed Midas nothing turns to gold. In this incarnation he has managed to take what was at least a semi functioning Police force and turn it into one of the worst in Britain, now it's in special measure, and as has been his modus operandi throughout his career he is completely incapable of accepting responsibility for what he has done. He has pushed the left wing anti White race hate narrative on the Police and now they only appear to deal with hurty feelings and what Labour call 'hate' which they have defined as a 'mild dislike', whilst in the centre of Manchester Piccadilly gardens drug dealing and gang violence goes unchallenged by his officers as they look on and do nothing. To make matters worse in his election statement he openly said he wanted to follow Khans disastrous example of Policing by reducing what little stop and search goes on.

    Everything he turns his hand to ends in disaster, remember North Staffordshire Hospitals scandal when he was in charge when again despite it clearly being his responsibility he refused to accept responsibility and even accused his victims of 'scaremongering'! He then arranged for the appalling chief exec to be transferred to Barrow where she attempted to cover up another scandal involving deaths of new born babies and again Burnham refused to accept his responsibilities.

    Despite all his bluster Burnham won because Manchester has a large Bame population and postal vote fraud is rife. The turnout was just 28.9% giving Burnham the very low approval rating of just 18% I am told in one of the boroughs of Greater Manchester votes returned in two wards exceeded the number registered to vote and yet so normal has this become instead of getting Burnhams Police involved they sought to make the results legitimate. People are losing, or perhaps it might be better to say have lost all confidence in the voting system and are refusing to vote at all now, and that cannot be a good thing.
     
  14. cheesyboy

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    Rumours that Starmer's advisor Jenny Chapman, who installed the arch-remainer candidate in Hartlepool, may actually be having an affair with Starmer. Some surprise that she's not out of a job.



    Mrs Starmer has banned Chapman from their house :D
     
  15. Flake87

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    I'm not sure why people are surprised that Angela Rayner has been sacked, it appears they are unaware that she was campaigns chief and it is this position she has been fired from after her disastrous performance and (believable) claims that she was next to useless in the position. She has not been sacked as deputy leader which is an elected position and Starmer has already said she will be offered a different position. To be honest she's as thick as mince to coin a phrase and needs to be somewhere where her 'talents' are appreciated (Dianne Abbots script writer perhaps).
     
  16. Belly

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    Not forgetting his time as Chief Secretary to the Treasury! When the Tories took over in 2010 wasn't there a note on the Treasury desk, saying their was no money? Well at least that was an honest statement.
     
  17. Hagar

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    That was Liam Byrne, prospective Mayor for the West Midlands (failed).:)
     
  18. wildest_jjk

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    To me I don’t see how it really helps anything. It’s the same as the cabinet reshuffle that’s now coming once again.

    The odds are against them and the buck stops with the leader. Sort the leader out first and then get a competent shadow cabinet in place.

    I don’t see them in power for a long time personally, which concerns me greatly.
     
  19. Jean-F

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    Oh please, please, from your lips to God’s ears.
     
  20. Flake87

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    Labour are in an impossible position, when the Tories have taken the place of New Labour and refer to Tony Blair in awe and reverence as 'The Master'. How do you oppose a party whose political stance is effectively the same as your own? All any Labour leader can do short of taking the party to an unelectable even more left wing position is to criticise implementation of policies which they both agree on. That has been a disaster for Labour with them siding with the EU and the catastrophic performance over covid. The fact the Tories are taking these red wall seats should be a signal to Labour that they have stolen their clothes and maybe to start shouting about that.

    It's not a good thing for a democracy, because it essentially creates a one party state where only one side of the arguement is represented and no one is there representing the centre right anymore.