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OcUK are looking for a full-time webdesigner

Discussion in 'HTML, Graphics & Programming' started by Spie, 2 Jan 2006.

  1. Spie


    Joined: 17 Oct 2002

    Posts: 13,055

    We are looking for a full-time webdesigner. The ideal candidate will have excellent HTML, php and javascript knowledge together with a high degree of graphical flair.

    Willing to pay for the right person although unsure what the market rate is for this position. Some input on salary would be appreciated from forum members.

    If you think you fit the bill please register your interest in this thread and we'll be in touch via your registered forums e-mail address.
  2. Augmented


    Joined: 18 Oct 2002

    Posts: 5,464

    Location: London Town

    For a salaried web-designer, assuming you're not looking for a senior developer, the London-weighted salary would typically be around 18-25k depending on experience. But I would be expecting a candidate to additionally have a very strong grasp of CSS, accessibility and some database experience in addition to the skillset you're after.
    Last edited: 2 Jan 2006
  3. NathanE


    Joined: 21 Oct 2002

    Posts: 18,022

    Location: London & Singapore

    Yup, definately need to add SQL databasing to the list of requirements. What good is HTML, PHP and JScript if they can't interface with data ;)
  4. iCraig


    Joined: 21 Apr 2004

    Posts: 13,314

    Location: Wolverhampton

    Definately need a good grasp of todays web standards, CSS layouts and accessibility guidelines.

    Oh and of course they need to be a swedish supermodel. ;)
  5. arty


    Joined: 18 Oct 2002

    Posts: 6,672

    Location: Cambridge

    I'd argue that for HTML, CSS and a decent grasp of design and graphical editing you're looking at that figure. For professional-level PHP you'd be more likely looking at 25-30k in my experience.

    Note: These are purely based on my own personal experience working at per-hour rates in these fields. Don't shout at me if you think I overcharged :)

  6. thesubstitute

    Wise Guy

    Joined: 26 Jul 2004

    Posts: 1,073

    Location: Birmingham

    I'm interested for the job, would I need to put in my background here or wait for the email?
  7. Ev0


    Joined: 18 Oct 2002

    Posts: 13,899

    It's usually pretty difficult to find a web designer and a web developer all in one, a friend runs a design company and they usually seperate the roles. I'd expect to pay someone a bit more than if they were just doing one of these roles.

    Would you want the builder who builds your house, puts in your pluming etc to also do the interior decorating :)

    Other alternative is to not use someone in house and get a company like www.optixsolutions.co.uk to do it for you, would probably be cheaper and you get the talents of x amount of people rather than 1.
  8. Augmented


    Joined: 18 Oct 2002

    Posts: 5,464

    Location: London Town

    By 'per-hour rates', are you quoting contract work? From what I've seen, that's the difference between working on contract vs. being a permanent employee. I don't consider your figure at all unreasonable for contract work, or for a permanent specialised position. But I do think it's a little too much to expect for a web-design position in an e-commerce setup :).
  9. D4VE


    Joined: 23 Oct 2003

    Posts: 8,899

    Location: Hampshire, UK

    I agree, someone who can tackle all the programming and design a good site should be getting £30k+ easily.

    Otherwise, you would have to split the task between a designer and programmer, as some webdesign firms tend to do and obviously you'd be paying more this way.

    But it totally depends on the work really.

    I agree contract work is going to be a much higher rate than a permanent position, this reflects lack of sick pay/pension/holiday and uncertainty of garaunteed work in the future.
  10. arty


    Joined: 18 Oct 2002

    Posts: 6,672

    Location: Cambridge

    Contract, yeah. Having said that, for that range of skills - PHP, SQL, e-commerce generally and all the design side etc. - I'd expect at least £30k, as relatively few people I've met have such a wide range of skills at a high level, even in permanent positions.

    If I wasn't in a permanent position now I might be interested, though I'd be more comfortable specialising in the code and getting an outside agency in for the design, personally :)

    Last edited: 3 Jan 2006
  11. Lt. Manlove

    Wise Guy

    Joined: 2 Oct 2003

    Posts: 2,121

    Location: Chester

    Does the applicant need to work at OcUK HQ?
  12. |-Chris-|


    Joined: 5 Nov 2003

    Posts: 287

    Location: Stoke-on-Trent

    The current website is a bit of a “Dinosaur” but it does its job very well and at the moment I don’t think there’s much point in changing it. I think some people (forum members) in the past have attempted to re-design it but no-one has produced a better design overall.

  13. Wossi


    Joined: 27 Oct 2003

    Posts: 4,996

    Location: East Mids.

    As someone once said "If it's not broken why fix it". Personally I see nothing wrong with how everything is and it works.
  14. roboffer


    Joined: 18 Oct 2002

    Posts: 9,599

    Location: Sunderland

    Can I just say one thing about this thread, obviously all IMHO ;)

    Do NOT start posting designs in it. If you are serious about this role leave a message and then deal directly with whoever contacts you. Just because OcUK has a forum people shouldnt mean you should approach this any different, and less professionally to a standard job application. If you have any relevant work, it will be viewed in due course and at the right time.

    My thoughts on salary if you are serious are around £22k. You will be able to find someone for that money who can do website deisgn, development and database work guaranteed.
  15. D4VE


    Joined: 23 Oct 2003

    Posts: 8,899

    Location: Hampshire, UK

    hmm how about paying a web designer a one off fee to build the site and layout and then emplying a coder to maintain it?
    There are really 2 jobs here - designer and programmer.

    For one person who has a good portfolio and knowledge of both areas you are looking at >£30k IMO.

    Afterall, I know programmers that get paid that and couldnt design you a decent looking site if their lives depending on it.
    However, I could do a nice site, but dont know the first thing about SQL databases :)
  16. ioptics


    Joined: 14 Jun 2003

    Posts: 42

    Location: UK

    I'd be interested in learning more about this job...
  17. chimaera


    Joined: 17 Aug 2004

    Posts: 3,511

    Location: Houston, TX

    Personally i think the site does slightly lag behind its competitors, and i posted a message in the forum changes section stating so a while ago.

    My issue was that i was looking for a specific product (standalone ipod speakers), which when i looked on the OcUK front page i had no idea as to which category it would be placed in. A quick search resulted in only textual linkages, and since i only knew the device by looks i didn't want to go trawling through each one to see where it was. I checked the first 2 and gave up as other sites were much more user friendly.
  18. Noxis


    Joined: 26 Jul 2003

    Posts: 6,348

    Location: Surrey

    If this is a "work from home 80% of the time" job i'd be very interested - but I cant relocate back "oop" north (did uni at stafford). But commuting once a week from south london would be fine.

    Assuming the above i'd like to register my interest - can offer 4 years ISP experiance (Unix sysadmin and PHP developing).
  19. glitch


    Joined: 8 Nov 2005

    Posts: 4,412

    Just a quick bit of advice for the OcUK guys: if you want to know the market rate then contact your local IT Recruitment Agency and see what they have to say.

    I'd recommend pretending to be looking for a job like you have on offer rather than saying you're recruiting - unless you want said agency to be hassling you every other day!
  20. Berserker

    Man of Honour

    Joined: 4 Nov 2002

    Posts: 15,454

    Location: West Berkshire

    Right, this thread has now been cleaned. As requested in the original post by Spie, this thread is for those who wish to apply for the position to state their interest, or to discuss the requirements of the position, such as salary, etc.

    This thread is not to be used for posting proposed designs, discussion of said designs, moaning, insulting each other, or anything else. Any discussion concerning proposed designs should be taken up directly with OcUK, and not posted on the forum.

    Any repeat of the events that happened today in this thread will result in at least temporary removal of the offenders' ability to post in this forum. This is your one and only warning.