Own a Diesel car? See your TAX increase..

chrismscotland · 22 Nov 2017 at 19:18

Its actually a farce, it won't apply to cars already on the road, only New Cars from 2018 will be affected, how does that get rid of the older polluting ones?

https://www.autocar.co.uk/opinion/industry/opinion-why-new-diesel-tax-rules-are-farce

Nasher · 22 Nov 2017 at 19:19

They won't force old ones off the road, because there probably aren't enough old petrol cars to go around and not everyone can afford a new one. They told everyone to buy diesels for the last 15 years so there is a big shortage of "normal" petrol cars. Especially with the new diesel tax coming in London next year.

adolf hamster · 22 Nov 2017 at 19:19

chrismscotland said:
Its actually a farce, it won't apply to cars already on the road, only New Cars from 2018 will be affected, how does that get rid of the older polluting ones?

https://www.autocar.co.uk/opinion/industry/opinion-why-new-diesel-tax-rules-are-farce

we've just discussed this, the short answer to your question is attrition

chrismscotland · 22 Nov 2017 at 19:24

adolf hamster said:
we've just discussed this, the short answer to your question is attrition

I was thinking that actually, thanks!

Orionaut · 22 Nov 2017 at 20:07

Just found this...

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...rpollutants_statisticalrelease_2016_final.pdf

I really don't see what all the fuss is about, all pollutant levels are falling and are the lowest they have ever been. NOX in particular is falling fast with no indication of the rate of decline stalling

But hey, any excuse to raise taxes to solve a non-existent problem eh??

adolf hamster · 22 Nov 2017 at 21:24

Orionaut said:
Just found this...

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...rpollutants_statisticalrelease_2016_final.pdf

I really don't see what all the fuss is about, all pollutant levels are falling and are the lowest they have ever been. NOX in particular is falling fast with no indication of the rate of decline stalling

But hey, any excuse to raise taxes to solve a non-existent problem eh??

presumably the official answer is because emission controls are working, and adding more emission controls (read emission taxes) will make it even better right?

it's like with smoking, instead of raising the age to buy cigarettes by one year every year and chopping it off at a generation, they'd rather milk it with taxes and get lots of money from people with addiction problems.

if there's a good way, and a profitable way to solve a problem they'll always choose the profitable way (not saying the profitable way doesnt work, just that it's not always as effective as other methods)

kirkster · 22 Nov 2017 at 21:32

We were *encouraged* to buy diesels. So we did. Now they want to shaft us.

One thing is for certain. The day of "performance" diesels is over.

b0rn2sk8 · 22 Nov 2017 at 21:42

kirkster said:
We were *encouraged* to buy diesels. So we did. Now they want to shaft us.

How is that the case, its new cars only. They even admit that that the amount of tax this will bring in over the long term will be minimal thus the amount extra people have to pay will be minimal. No one wants to pay more lets be realistic but if your buying a new car its not like you are struggling to get by. It's just a a small push to stop people buying diesel that don't do big miles. There was also other nudges to entice people to go EV.

In reality it is the least they could do to show they were doing something but not actually doing anything.

Orionaut · 22 Nov 2017 at 21:52

As an aside, I have tried to find out though I haven't searched exhaustively, but would anybody know off hand what the situation for pre-2000 cars is regarding VED?

(My youngest is 1995

)

Jokester · 22 Nov 2017 at 21:53

Orionaut said:
As an aside, I have tried to find out though I haven't searched exhaustively, but would anybody know off hand what the situation for pre-2000 cars is regarding VED?

(My youngest is 1995 )

Goes up by inflation.

Have to say, one of the dullest budgets in a long time!

Orionaut · 22 Nov 2017 at 21:58

Jokester said:
Goes up by inflation.

Have to say, one of the dullest budgets in a long time!

Thanks,

Mind a dull budget might well be preferable to an "Interesting" one!

NickK · 22 Nov 2017 at 21:58

SC0TTRS said:
All Diesels will move up one TAX bracket...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5107629/Older-diesel-cars-kicked-higher-tax-bracket.html

Won't be able to sale Diesels for love nor money soon..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42079297

So NEW sales go up a bracket. So cars sold Apr 2018.

Mar 2017 = £20.

Mercenary Keyboard Warrior · 23 Nov 2017 at 08:34

NickK said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42079297

So NEW sales go up a bracket. So cars sold Apr 2018.

Mar 2017 = £20.

I am not sure, the new test coming could mean they are also a higher bracket because of that (supposed to be much more real world), and as such the extra bracket could be a (bit) more significant

Nasher · 23 Nov 2017 at 10:06

A lot of people are going to get stung for having no DPF once the improved MOT emissions test arrives as well. It is coming.

Scania · 23 Nov 2017 at 10:45

SC0TTRS said:
Won't be able to sale Diesels for love nor money soon..

Really? Given the vast majority of cars on the roads today are diesel I think the market for used ones is going to remain for a good while yet, so long as you go for a relatively modern one the tax hike is hardly a deal breaker.

My partners 2012 Focus for example is moving from £25 annual tax to £100 (if I understand the new system) which isn’t going to make her sell it nor would it be a deal breaker when she comes to buy another.

I’m more surprised there isn’t a harder hit on older vehicles as surely these are the real polluters out there...

Howard · 23 Nov 2017 at 10:46

Nasher said:
A lot of people are going to get stung for having no DPF once the improved MOT emissions test arrives as well. It is coming.

That's their own fault for "deleting" it. Tough poop.

Supernova · 23 Nov 2017 at 10:50

VED gets more expensive every couple of years for a given car already. Typical daily mail rubbish news. Absolute rag.

Hotwired · 23 Nov 2017 at 11:13

Joe T said:
Extract from the actual speech:

I had to re-read it after I missed the word van in the second from last paragraph.

robj20 · 23 Nov 2017 at 12:02

Scania said:
Really? Given the vast majority of cars on the roads today are diesel I think the market for used ones is going to remain for a good while yet, so long as you go for a relatively modern one the tax hike is hardly a deal breaker.

My partners 2012 Focus for example is moving from £25 annual tax to £100 (if I understand the new system) which isn’t going to make her sell it nor would it be a deal breaker when she comes to buy another.

I’m more surprised there isn’t a harder hit on older vehicles as surely these are the real polluters out there...

It not going anywhere at 2012, the new rules are for new cars built next year.

Howard said:
That's their own fault for "deleting" it. Tough poop.

Yep no sympathy for them at all, going to cost a small fortune. You can see these cars a mile away, saw one yesterday a newish BMW in white with big black patches above each exhaust, and a dirty cloud when he put his foot down.

Dis86 · 23 Nov 2017 at 12:09

Vertigo1 said:
Well I'm fairly furious about it - albeit furious that they've done absolutely nothing to get nasty old, heavily polluting diesels off our roads.

You mean like busses and vans?