patriotism overload

Oliver · 19 May 2006 at 10:28

Nix said:
Strange. I thought it was the colonialism and expansion in trade across the atlantic (including Europe) that ultimately triggered the industrial revolution...

Trade in what? Not a lot of good without our superior textiles and other stuff we started to make once the industrial revolution came about. Colonialism only happened once we became rich enough to afford the endeavours.

King4aDay · 19 May 2006 at 10:30

Tru said:
I've no idea but Southerners appear to make up the majority of the 350,000+ Englanders who have chosen to settle in Scotland, so make of that what you will.

Have you ever been to Cornwall? I think the Cornish probably hate the English at least twice as much as the Scots do.

G|mp · 19 May 2006 at 10:31

King4aDay said:
Have you ever been to Cornwall? I think the Cornish probably hate the English at least twice as much as the Scots do.

Aye damn Kernows and their **** flag

AJUK · 19 May 2006 at 10:34

Tru said:
Pardon me, his ancestors. Wallace was born and raised in Scotland, to say he's Welsh is like saying I'm Norwegian.

Wallace is an earlier pronounciation of Wellas meaning Welsh and he is descended from Richard the Welshman, dating back to the times of William the Conqueror.

edit: earlier added

King4aDay · 19 May 2006 at 10:35

AJUK said:
Wallace is a older pronounciation of Wellas meaning Welsh and he is descended from Richard the Welshman, dating back to the times of William the Conqueror.

lol, quite Welsh then?

Jest3r · 19 May 2006 at 10:40

Beansprout said:
Why do the Scots hate the English so?

Is it because deep down you know we don't care that you dress funny and pleay loud weird music, yet you simply want to get noticed?

Nope it's probably for similar reasons to wales

because england is a breeding ground for muppets like prescott

Spacky · 19 May 2006 at 10:43

Jest3r said:
Nope it's probably for similar reasons to wales because england is a breeding ground for muppets like prescott

Tru · 19 May 2006 at 10:44

AJUK said:
Wallace is a older pronounciation of Wellas meaning Welsh and he is descended from Richard the Welshman, dating back to the times of William the Conqueror.

I acknowledged he's of Welsh decsent, but William Wallace was Scottish. Mind you, I couldn't give a toss if he was Japanese, he's a Scottish hero.

Nix · 19 May 2006 at 10:54

King4aDay said:
Have you ever been to Cornwall? I think the Cornish probably hate the English at least twice as much as the Scots do.

People like that from Cornwall do my ******* head in. They're the ones who think that Cornwall is it's own country - I've even heard some idiots try and claim it as its own island.

I hate to break the news to the Cornish here, but you're English. Cornwall is an English county not a seperate state. If you want to carry on 'hating' the English, by all means do so, but you're only hating yourself.

Oliver said:
Trade in what? Not a lot of good without our superior textiles and other stuff we started to make once the industrial revolution came about. Colonialism only happened once we became rich enough to afford the endeavours.

Do you need for me to explain this to you?

The industrialisation we witnessed was deeply rooted in merchant capitalism.

There was a surplus capital invested in capital-intensive machinery, expanding national, regional & international markets and entrepreneurs employing wage labour.

There are three phases of the industrial revolution:

Phase One (c.1750-1850):

Iron & Textiles
Water and wind power; canals and turn-pike roads.
This took place mainly in N.Wales, Cornwall and Staffordshire, etc.

Phase Two (c.1820-1940):

Steel and heavy engineering.
Coal and steam power; railways and steam-ships etc.

Phase Three (c.1890-1950):

Chemicals
Internal Combustion

My point earlier was that a main driver for this was because of the trade across of the Atlantic, Europe established itself as the economic core based on trade and exchange. There was a spatial division of labour, and regions became more specialised in certain tasks. This all laid the foundations for the industrial revolution.

My source? I did a module on globalisation this year, and I had a whole lecture on this. Enjoy.

King4aDay · 19 May 2006 at 10:55

Nix said:
People like that from Cornwall do my ******* head in. They're the ones who think that Cornwall is it's own country - I've even heard some idiots try and claim it as its own island.

I hate to break the news to the Cornish here, but you're English. Cornwall is an English county not a seperate state. If you want to carry on 'hating' the English, by all means do so, but you're only hating yourself.

Haha, yeah the Cornish patriotism is pretty funny.

Having said that, you can put Cornish on your passport as your nationality instead of English/British.

Blackstar · 19 May 2006 at 11:25

I don't hate English people, but i don't like the fact they believe they are superior to the Scottish when we are on level ground. I'm very proud of where i come from and i'd never want to change, i think the reason the the Scots 'hate' the English is due to the 'we're bigger and better' attitude.
Personally i've been to much of the UK especially Cornwall a fair few times and have always had a friendly and good experience. As impossible as it is one day we will need to forget the past.

SCM · 19 May 2006 at 11:27

I have no issue with the English, i lived in England for 5 years got on well with everyone, married one least said about that the better. The issue I and a lot of other Scots have is with the media over reaction, arrogance and we are better than you attitude they show.

Sort this out and a few more Scots might be more inclined to support England at tournaments, otherwise it will stay the same.

SCM

Nix · 19 May 2006 at 11:30

Blackstar said:
I don't hate English people, but i don't like the fact they believe they are superior to the Scottish when we are on level ground. I'm very proud of where i come from and i'd never want to change, i think the reason the the Scots 'hate' the English is due to the 'we're bigger and better' attitude.
Personally i've been to much of the UK especially Cornwall a fair few times and have always had a friendly and good experience. As impossible as it is one day we will need to forget the past.

I am yet to meet a fellow Englishman who thinks that they are higher or better than any Scotsman. They're probably out there, but they're such a minority IMO that your point becomes invalid. I think the Scottish and Welsh are quicker to hate the English than vise versa.

AJUK · 19 May 2006 at 11:34

Nix said:
I am yet to meet a fellow Englishman who thinks that they are higher or better than any Scotsman. They're probably out there, but they're such a minority IMO that your point becomes invalid. I think the Scotish and Welsh are quicker to hate the English than vise versa.

I think you are right.

theleg · 19 May 2006 at 11:35

I believe England is a more successful and influential country than Scotland....but do I believe I, or any other average Englishman is better than the average Scot? No, of course not..

Von Luck · 19 May 2006 at 11:36

Patriotism sucks tbh. I identify with people who share my beliefs and morals, wherever they may happen to live, not with a bit of dirt and rock.

Blackstar · 19 May 2006 at 11:37

Nix said:
I am yet to meet a fellow Englishman who thinks that they are higher or better than any Scotsman. They're probably out there, but they're such a minority IMO that your point becomes invalid. I think the Scotish and Welsh are quicker to hate the English than vise versa.

Fair enough thats ypu oppinion and i'm entitled to mine, all i was trying to say is this is how it feels to me. I've met a lot of English people who's oppinion was England is better, maybe i just have met the wrong people.
I actualy thought my post was very fair and nice.

fatiain · 19 May 2006 at 11:37

This thread reminds me of Rentons rant in Trainspotting, "I don't hate the English, they're just......"

theleg · 19 May 2006 at 11:38

Blackstar said:
Fair enough thats ypu oppinion and i'm entitled to mine, all i was trying to say is this is how it feels to me. I've met a lot of English people who's oppinion was England is better, maybe i just have met the wrong people.
I actualy thought my post was very fair and nice.

and we have all met lots of scots who think scotland is better..the thing is, thats human nature...pretty much everyone on earth thinks their home is the best place....

Nix · 19 May 2006 at 11:41

Balddog said:
and we have all met lots of scots who think scotland is better..the thing is, thats human nature...pretty much everyone on earth thinks their home is the best place....

Which is pretty much what patriotism is

@Blackstar, I never said your post wasn't fair or nice. I was just picking holes in it