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Philips 200W6CS 20" - is it defo 8ms?

Discussion in 'Monitors' started by ecksmen, 27 Feb 2006.

  1. ecksmen

    Wise Guy

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    Hi,

    I'm very interested in this monitor, but there does seem to be some confusion as to the actuall panel being used in it.

    Can someone please confirm what panel this monitor uses?

    OCuk are advertising it as 8ms, but no where on the internet that I've found can confirm this. Searching this forums has suggested it is a 8ms, but again no solid confirmation. Seeing as it is being sold as 8ms, can you please tell me what the panel is.

    I'll be ordering tomorrow if its good news.

    Cheers

    Ecks
     
  2. fish99

    Soldato

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    Just googled and seen it listed as both 8 ms and 16 ms at different retailers. Maybe there's two versions? One review definitely said it wasn't suited to gaming because of the reponse time. Philips UK list it as 8 ms btw.

    Confusing stuff...
     
  3. THE DOC

    Hitman

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    im confused to :o
     
  4. ecksmen

    Wise Guy

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    Right, so no body can actually give confirmation? Wont be ordering without it [wink]...

    edit - cheers for those who inputted so far, but it would be nice for some official feedback.
     
  5. igors

    Gangster

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    Somehow, I don't understand what is the problem for the manufacturer to clarify this and give us the the definitive & reliable specifications so that consumers are aware what actually they are "buying". Do we have to scratch our heads and guess this type of things ? It's just nuts.
     
  6. Kamakazie!

    Wise Guy

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    as far as i know its:
    16ms Black to WHite
    8ms Grey to Grey
     
  7. ecksmen

    Wise Guy

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    Exactly....
     
  8. fish99

    Soldato

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    Phone OcUK.
     
  9. THE DOC

    Hitman

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    whats the difference
    how would it effect games ,apart from the size would this be better than my samsung 913
     
  10. fish99

    Soldato

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    It should have much better viewing angles and it'll be a full 24-bit 16.7M colour panel, rather than 18-bit like your 913, which uses dithering to make the number of colours up to 16.2M. Having said that, it's hard to tell TN panels aren't 24-bit, so that's not a big deal. The main difference though is the viewing angles, and that it's widescreen.
     
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  11. Raymond Lin

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    Philips have assure OCUK that the Philips screen are 8ms, and the spec is correct. The only "debatable" element is the panel used, either its a IPS or MVA, either way it is a beautiful screen. I am one of the first to have it on these forums and loved every minute of it, the colours is just so fantastic !
     
  12. FoxEye

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    This is slowly driving me mad! I'm really tempted to get one of these, because I'm itching to buy a 20" WS soon, and I'm not sure the extra £80 or so is worth it for the NEC. Especially since the NEC is using a glossy screen :/

    So the Philips is better for movies, thanks to less twinkling of MVA and no glossy coat, right?

    But the NEC is (noticably?) better for gaming with more responsive AS-IPS having less ghosting effect... or is there hardly any difference?

    I don't like the speakers on the Philips, but it isn't a bad looking monitor really.

    Well, I guess nothing is going to be "perfect", but it's just not easy to decide between saving myself some money and getting the Philips now, or taking a chance on the NEC which may be slightly better... And then there's the Viewsonic which I know is coming soon :confused:

    /bangs head against wall
     
  13. fish99

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    It probably doesn't make much difference in the end. At the end of the day, the three screens (including the viewsonic) are all 8 ms, 800:1 contrast ratio. I suspect if you put them side by side there would be little to choose between them. MVA panels certainly aren't slow, some of the best screens out there use 8 ms MVA like the VP930. You can't really get much quicker without going to TN Film and sacrificing viewing angles.

    Where did you get the impression that MVA was slower than AS-IPS btw?
     
  14. Raymond Lin

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    There is more of a chance that the Philips is a IPS screen, a real possiblilty that it is the same screen as the NEC, it's just NEC have tune the Response time to 6ms and wack on a glossy screen.
     
  15. [email protected]

    Hitman

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    Hi,

    Another vote for the Philips, got mine on Sat and its awesome. Cant fault it at all. Colours are so much more vibrant, text sharper and screen is huge (compared to my old 17").

    Speakers arent that bad either, def not earth shattering but acceptable.

    Not a massive gamer but do push out a couple of hours of CS:S a night, much better and no visible ghosting or problems.

    HTH,

    Dave.
     
  16. THE DOC

    Hitman

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    just a quickie if i bought one how would i know if it was 8ms or 16ms will it say anyrthing or is there a program to tell
     
  17. ACPCUP

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    I wouldn't buy one unless i was 100% sure first.
     
  18. Cal_G

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    OCUK have 100% confirmed the ones they have in stock are the new 8ms version
     
  19. FoxEye

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    BeHardware were comparing the NEC to the 2ms TN panels ;) That in itself doesn't mean that AS-IPS is faster than VA - that's just how I interpreted it.
     
  20. fish99

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    No you're spot on, I hadn't read that. Impressive stuff. The NEC definitely seems to outperform the Belinea MVA panel.

    Btw if anyone missed that article, it's here-

    http://www.behardware.com/articles/610-1/nec-20wgx-an-ips-equivalent-to-a-2-ms-tn.html

    -and the reponse time comparison is on page 4.