Question about the theory of evolution in here
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Yeah that makes sense. If you believe in DNA (and to be honest who doesn't?) then natural selection must occur if genes are passed down to offspring. I guess the question is whether or not mutation has had a significant effect to account for the differences between species.Nitefly said:
If anyone has a few hours to kill, this thread in the SC archive is definitely worth a read regarding evolution and related issues 
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17524269
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17524269
Over hundreds of years, of course it doesn't. But over hundreds of thousands or even hundreds of millions it indeed does.Psyk said:
If we take the whole 'time' period since the first microorganism to present day and made it into a single year, primates would only be around in the last 4 seconds. When you consider the difference from primative primates to humans, that timescale will help put into picture just how long evolution has had to act
People seem to be forgetting just how long 3.5 billion years is.
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I agree completely but that seems to be the bit that some people can't accept.Nitefly said:Over hundreds of years, of course it doesn't. But over hundreds of thousands or even hundreds of millions it indeed does.
If we take the whole 'time' period since the first microorganism to present day and made it into a single year, primates would only be around in the last 4 seconds. When you consider the difference from primative primates to humans, that timescale will help put into picture just how long evolution has had to act
People seem to be forgetting just how long 3.5 billion years is.
Ha, I have so many great example of evolution doubtsPsyk said:
What was a christian explanation that geological rock analysis proved fossils to be millions of years old rather than the traditional several dozen?
... The speed of light used to be faster?! What the hell?!
Lol.... no it isn't?Energize said:
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You can work this out yourselfPsyk said:
Look at the way species have evolved over earths history, do we still swim in the sea ?
Without mutation we still would be
Those sometimes small changes (mutations) every so often that provides increased fitness will be propagated to sometimes branch off into separate species and for the process to continue to what we have today, the vast amount of species from the very few to start with.
Lucky for us we are at this end of that process that will continue as long as we procreate the old fashioned way
Gene therapy etc can have huge impact on this, essentially producing a novel `mutant` of a species like the GM crops that potentially effects the whole food web
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Evolution is a religion, you choose to either follow, believe and accept or you don't!
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Spacky said:
No, No, No sorry don`t buy that ! !
Evolution is a science with proof for those that choose to see, religion is a faith not based on provable evidence ( not looking to offend anyone with that, just an observation ) but on personal feelings.
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It really isn't. I'd say most people who believe in evolution would very quickly change their mind if someone had significant evidence for another explanation. The same can't be said for religious beliefs.Spacky said:
Well that is if you accept that we did evolve from such creatures. Many people don't.Nobski said:
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Point proven, but I don't believe you, can you prove to me evolution is real? Just on the basis some animals look abit similar.
My point is its just more widely accepted, therefore it is considered by some the answer to the way we are all here but its entirely what you believe and what you accepts. Those who aren't religious will believe anything where as those who are believe in something.
It seems to offend many if you say evolution is a religion a misdirected offshoot of science, or to some the foundation of science?
All what you believe
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Psyk said:
But faith isn't about seeing then believing? Isn't it about believing and then seeing?
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Exactly that's why believing in evolution is nothing to do with having faith.Spacky said:But faith isn't about seeing then believing? Isn't it about believing and then seeing?
That reminds me of a philosophy 'arguement' I had...Spacky said:Point proven, but I don't believe you, can you prove to me evolution is real? Just on the basis some animals look abit similar.
My point is its just more widely accepted, therefore it is considered by some the answer to the way we are all here but its entirely what you believe and what you accepts. Those who aren't religious will believe anything where as those who are believe in something.
It seems to offend many if you say evolution is a religion a misdirected offshoot of science, or to some the foundation of science?
All what you believe
Him - "Is it a table or a chair?'
Me- "Its quite clearly a chair....?"
Him - "But why isn't it a table?"
Me - "..... you.... your kidding.....?"
Him - Prove to me its a chair!
Me - "... it functions as a chair well because it was designed to be used as one...."
Him - "Ah! *Places glass on it* But now its a TABLE!"
Me - *Pulls out a shotgun and shoots him in the face*
There is a lot more evidence than that!spacky said:
Anatomy
Embryology
Palaentology
Biogeography
Taxonomy.... anyone?
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Psyk said:
But people put their faith in evolution that it is the right solution to why we are here in the mindset I don't fully accept it.
Dig Dolph up on intelligent design, I think evolution is a chicken and egg scenario. It can go on for days with no solution just someone getting bored of the same old questions and answers.
Evolution occurs via natural selection right?Energize said:
Natural selection is a process which is affected via innevitable mutations / genetic drift, which ARE RANDOM.
Therefore mutations are factors that will affect the results of natural selection, which is DISTINCTLY non-random.
The random componants have an effect on the distinctly NON-RANDOM process of evolution.
Get it?
EDIT - I revised it to make it better....
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Dolph said:If anyone has a few hours to kill, this thread in the SC archive is definitely worth a read regarding evolution and related issues
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17524269
Woot Woot! I got one of my threads in the archives
I pwn tbh