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Reducing my ping times

Discussion in 'Networks & Internet Connectivity' started by Pho, 28 May 2006.

  1. Pho

    Sgarrista

    Joined: 18 Oct 2002

    Posts: 9,098

    Location: Derbyshire

    I'm not greatly bothered, the ping is still low, but having seen people with even half the ping (with Nildram, too) I thought I may as well look into it.

    I'm using a wired connection to my router (about 2 meters worth of network cable from the pc) which then connects to the master phone socket (again, about 2 meters from the router). I've also tried using a couple of different Microfilters.

    I'm currently using a D-Link DSL-G604T with Nildram 8mb. I had similar pings (if not a couple of ms lower) when I was still with Pipex, using a different router (which I don't have anymore). I'm guessing this is generally due to the fact I live in a village so am probably not directly on a fast pipe. There are no problems with congestion and whatever on my exchange according to various online sites, and the ping remains the same throughout anytime of the day.

    Router stats:
    Code:
    DSL Status
      	Connection Status 	Connected
      	Upstream Rate (Kbps) 	448
      	Downstream Rate (Kbps) 	8128
      	US Margin 	26
      	DS Margin 	10
      	Modulation 	GDMT
      	LOS Errors 	0
      	DS Line Attenuation 	6
      	US Line Attenuation 	3
      	Path Mode 	Fast Path
     
    DSL Statistics
      	Near End F4 Loop Back Count 	0
      	Near End F5 Loop Back Count 	0
    

    Tracerts:
    Code:
    Tracing route to www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.227.77]
    over a maximum of 30 hops:
    
      1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  192.168.0.1
      2    31 ms    30 ms    30 ms  lo1-lon3-adsl21.nildram.net [195.112.5.30]
      3    29 ms    29 ms    30 ms  ge-1-1-1.cr2.gs1.bb.pipex.net [84.12.224.33]
      4    29 ms    30 ms    29 ms  lon1-9.nildram.net [84.12.224.14]
      5    30 ms    30 ms    40 ms  g3-18.cr05.tn5.bb.pipex.net [62.72.141.37]
      6    30 ms    30 ms    32 ms  pipex-te4-3-503.thdo.bbc.co.uk [62.72.139.66]
      7    30 ms    30 ms    31 ms  212.58.238.129
      8    30 ms    30 ms    30 ms  212.58.238.145
      9    30 ms    29 ms    30 ms  www7.rbsov.bbc.co.uk [212.58.227.77]
    
    Trace complete.
    
    Code:
    Tracing route to [url]www.jolt.co.uk[/url] [82.133.85.65]
    over a maximum of 30 hops:
    
      1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  192.168.0.1
      2    31 ms    30 ms    31 ms  lo1-lon3-adsl21.nildram.net [195.112.5.30]
      3    30 ms    29 ms    29 ms  ge-1-1-1.cr2.gs1.bb.pipex.net [84.12.224.33]
      4    30 ms    30 ms    30 ms  lon1-9.nildram.net [84.12.224.14]
      5    31 ms    30 ms    29 ms  jolt-gw.nildram.net [195.149.20.214]
      6    30 ms    30 ms    30 ms  secure.jolt.co.uk [82.133.85.65]
    
    Trace complete.
    
    The first hop always seems pretty high, possibly due to BT? (most things are ;))

    I get the same ping results from doing it internally within my router bypassing any computers.

    Any ideas? Thanks.
     
  2. tolien

    Caporegime

    Joined: 16 May 2003

    Posts: 25,368

    Location: ::1

    It's unlikely there's anything you can do, not that it has anything to do with being in a village or not being on a "fast pipe".

    Edit: For what it's worth:

     
  3. Pho

    Sgarrista

    Joined: 18 Oct 2002

    Posts: 9,098

    Location: Derbyshire

    Fair enough then :). As said, I'm not entirely bothered just it would be nice if their was something I was completely missing. Thanks anyway.
     
  4. OllyM

    Soldato

    Joined: 16 Aug 2004

    Posts: 6,200

    Location: New Jersey, USA

    You're on Fast mode already, and your first hop ping is high, which shows it's probably caused by BT. Do you know what RAS you're connected to?

    For reference:

    olly-powermac:~ olly$ traceroute 82.133.85.65
    traceroute to 82.133.85.65 (82.133.85.65), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets
    1 firebrick-lan.office.miniserve.net (81.187.156.129) 2.310 ms 1.294 ms 1.518 ms
    2 zyxel2-lan.office.miniserve.net (81.187.95.242) 2.641 ms zyxel1-lan.office.miniserve.net (81.187.95.241) 1.867 ms 1.876 ms
    3 careless.aaisp.net.uk (81.187.81.72) 15.809 ms 17.352 ms 15.183 ms
    4 aimless.aaisp.net.uk (217.169.20.3) 16.347 ms 21.702 ms 19.746 ms
    5 186.ge1-0.er1a.lhr4.uk.above.net (213.161.69.146) 17.011 ms 15.740 ms 19.158 ms
    6 so-2-2-0.cr2.lhr4.uk.above.net (208.184.231.129) 15.910 ms 16.757 ms 20.071 ms
    7 pos7-0.mpr2.lhr1.uk.above.net (208.184.231.169) 16.790 ms 18.038 ms 16.633 ms
    8 gxn-pi-above-1000mbps.lhr.above.net (209.249.203.138) 18.653 ms 17.890 ms 17.495 ms
    9 ge-0-2-0.lon1-9.nildram.net (62.72.141.38) 16.847 ms 18.389 ms 21.608 ms
    10 jolt-gw.nildram.net (195.149.20.214) 17.149 ms 15.541 ms 18.482 ms
    11 secure.jolt.co.uk (82.133.85.65) 20.972 ms 20.025 ms 17.649 ms

    and

    olly-powermac:~ olly$ traceroute 212.58.227.77
    traceroute to 212.58.227.77 (212.58.227.77), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets
    1 firebrick-lan.office.miniserve.net (81.187.156.129) 1.969 ms 2.294 ms 1.202 ms
    2 zyxel2-lan.office.miniserve.net (81.187.95.242) 1.845 ms zyxel1-lan.office.miniserve.net (81.187.95.241) 2.930 ms zyxel2-lan.office.miniserve.net (81.187.95.242) 1.936 ms
    3 careless.aaisp.net.uk (81.187.81.72) 20.295 ms 15.527 ms 20.176 ms
    4 aimless.aaisp.net.uk (217.169.20.3) 15.652 ms 17.158 ms 15.740 ms
    5 xpe-gw0.prt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk (217.79.160.123) 18.869 ms 18.530 ms 15.460 ms
    6 212.58.238.129 (212.58.238.129) 19.539 ms 20.291 ms 16.348 ms
    7 212.58.238.145 (212.58.238.145) 18.545 ms 18.182 ms 16.500 ms
    8 www7.rbsov.bbc.co.uk (212.58.227.77) 18.552 ms 19.512 ms 16.701 ms
     
  5. Phil99

    Capodecina

    Joined: 29 Oct 2004

    Posts: 10,898

    Doesn't look like there's much (if anything at all) you can do with yours as you don't have interleaving on at the moment as the others have said.
     
  6. Locky

    Capodecina

    Joined: 14 Oct 2003

    Posts: 12,555

    Location: Leicestershire/Derbyshire


    what isp are you with
     
  7. Phil99

    Capodecina

    Joined: 29 Oct 2004

    Posts: 10,898

    Enough of a give away? :D
     
  8. Pho

    Sgarrista

    Joined: 18 Oct 2002

    Posts: 9,098

    Location: Derbyshire

    When connecting to the BT test account and tracing to BT(which apparently works according to a website I found):

    It's:
    esr2.sheffield3.broadband.bt.net [217.47.73.141] - which will be around 50 miles roughly from here.
     
  9. mysticsniper

    Sgarrista

    Joined: 1 May 2003

    Posts: 9,622

    Check my times out, and you think your times are bad :eek: :(

     
  10. Clarkey

    Capodecina

    Joined: 18 Oct 2002

    Posts: 18,074

    do i beat you all? ;)

    traceroute to www.jolt.co.uk (82.133.85.65), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
    1 149.170.13.252 (149.170.13.252) 0.466 ms 0.333 ms 0.361 ms
    2 danae.stu.mmu.ac.uk (149.170.1.254) 0.485 ms 0.331 ms 0.235 ms
    3 10.4.30.254 (10.4.30.254) 0.485 ms 0.555 ms 0.357 ms
    4 sage-central.mmu.ac.uk (149.170.189.254) 0.868 ms 0.711 ms 0.735 ms
    5 149.170.189.186 (149.170.189.186) 1.613 ms 1.226 ms 0.860 ms
    6 * * *
    7 * * *
    8 gw-nnw.core.netnw.net.uk (194.66.25.97) 2.399 ms 1.710 ms 1.731 ms
    9 manchester-bar.ja.net (146.97.40.201) 2.360 ms 1.842 ms 1.735 ms
    10 po11-0.warr-scr.ja.net (146.97.35.165) 3.236 ms 2.593 ms 2.361 ms
    11 po3-0.read-scr.ja.net (146.97.33.53) 6.484 ms 5.964 ms 9.856 ms
    12 po1-0.lond-scr4.ja.net (146.97.33.25) 8.226 ms 7.087 ms 7.358 ms
    13 * * *
    14 g3-32.cr05.tn5.bb.pipex.net (62.72.139.101) 8.091 ms 7.331 ms 7.480 ms
    15 * * *
    16 * * *
    17 secure.jolt.co.uk (82.133.85.65) 8.611 ms 7.708 ms 7.980 ms
     
  11. Duke

    Man of Honour

    Joined: 29 Jun 2003

    Posts: 33,541

    Location: Wiltshire

    Blueyonder cable

    Code:
      1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  192.168.0.1
      2     8 ms     7 ms     8 ms  10.15.0.1
      3     8 ms    18 ms     7 ms  195.188.230.193
      4    22 ms    21 ms    22 ms  195.188.230.81
      5    16 ms    16 ms    15 ms  195.188.230.26
      6    21 ms    21 ms    21 ms  194.117.136.238
      7    20 ms    22 ms    19 ms  194.117.136.154
      8    16 ms    16 ms    15 ms  194.117.136.169
      9    36 ms    20 ms    20 ms  194.117.136.166
     10    16 ms    29 ms    18 ms  tele2-gw4.telewest.net [194.117.136.197]
     11    21 ms    39 ms    21 ms  pipex-telewest-pvtpeer.telewest.net [194.117.147.38]
     12    16 ms    18 ms    16 ms  ge-0-2-0.lon1-9.nildram.net [62.72.141.38]
     13    26 ms    23 ms    22 ms  jolt-gw.nildram.net [195.149.20.214]
     14    16 ms    22 ms    16 ms  secure.jolt.co.uk [82.133.85.65]
     
  12. Burbleflop

    PermaBanned

    Joined: 7 May 2003

    Posts: 4,247

    Location: Away from here

    Nope.

    paul@thor:~:$ ping -c 10 jolt.co.uk
    PING jolt.co.uk (82.133.85.65) 56(84) bytes of data.
    64 bytes from secure.jolt.co.uk (82.133.85.65): icmp_seq=1 ttl=55 time=3.85 ms
    64 bytes from secure.jolt.co.uk (82.133.85.65): icmp_seq=2 ttl=55 time=3.79 ms
    64 bytes from secure.jolt.co.uk (82.133.85.65): icmp_seq=3 ttl=55 time=4.43 ms
    64 bytes from secure.jolt.co.uk (82.133.85.65): icmp_seq=4 ttl=55 time=3.65 ms
    64 bytes from secure.jolt.co.uk (82.133.85.65): icmp_seq=5 ttl=55 time=4.00 ms
    64 bytes from secure.jolt.co.uk (82.133.85.65): icmp_seq=6 ttl=55 time=6.88 ms
    64 bytes from secure.jolt.co.uk (82.133.85.65): icmp_seq=7 ttl=55 time=3.64 ms
    64 bytes from secure.jolt.co.uk (82.133.85.65): icmp_seq=8 ttl=55 time=3.93 ms
    64 bytes from secure.jolt.co.uk (82.133.85.65): icmp_seq=9 ttl=55 time=3.74 ms
    64 bytes from secure.jolt.co.uk (82.133.85.65): icmp_seq=10 ttl=55 time=4.17 ms

    --- jolt.co.uk ping statistics ---
    10 packets transmitted, 10 received, 0% packet loss, time 9095ms
    rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 3.646/4.214/6.885/0.921 ms
     
  13. mike1210

    Gangster

    Joined: 20 Jan 2006

    Posts: 313

    Burble what is your connection speed out of interest? I just tried on a 100 meg line and couldn't get that, was getting 5-6ms :)
     
  14. Burbleflop

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    Joined: 7 May 2003

    Posts: 4,247

    Location: Away from here

    34Mbit.
     
  15. Locky

    Capodecina

    Joined: 14 Oct 2003

    Posts: 12,555

    Location: Leicestershire/Derbyshire


    thats quite a poor ping hes got to a uk server imo
     
  16. tolien

    Caporegime

    Joined: 16 May 2003

    Posts: 25,368

    Location: ::1

    Not when you don't know where I am. Suspect the connection wasn't completely idle either.
     
    Last edited: 29 May 2006
  17. mike1210

    Gangster

    Joined: 20 Jan 2006

    Posts: 313

    im on zen maxdsl and had interleaving taken off by my request, im in South Wales

    Tracing route to www.jolt.co.uk [82.133.85.65]
    over a maximum of 30 hops:

    1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.1
    2 21 ms 20 ms 20 ms gadamer-dsl.zen.net.uk [62.3.83.3]
    3 21 ms 20 ms 20 ms erazmus-ge-0-0-1-1.wh.zen.net.uk [62.3.80.193]
    4 26 ms 26 ms 26 ms lorenz-so-0-1-0-0.te.zen.net.uk [62.3.80.45]
    5 26 ms 26 ms 26 ms te1-3.cr05.hx2.bb.pipex.net [195.66.226.29]
    6 27 ms 27 ms 27 ms v3952.cr05.tn5.bb.pipex.net [62.72.137.9]
    7 26 ms 26 ms 27 ms ge-0-2-0.lon1-9.nildram.net [62.72.141.38]
    8 28 ms 28 ms 27 ms jolt-gw.nildram.net [195.149.20.214]
    9 27 ms 26 ms 26 ms secure.jolt.co.uk [82.133.85.65]

    Trace complete.