Well it seems my Ipod mini decided that it no longer wants to work, have done all the updates, it will charge and run on my PC, but will only hold it's battery charge for an hour at most When I bought it I put 3 years extra cover on it (I work in one of the big retails stores, and this and my laptop are the only 2 things I've covered) Mainly because I use it alot, and secondly because if I drop either one thats a nice excess on my house hold insurance. Not to mention a premium increase. Anyway our selction at work is very limited, given that when I bought the mini I paid £169 for it, well £161 by the time I had my staff discount. There are two players I'm looking at in the same price brackett I don't want and can't afford to go over this at the moment, but as I say they are as follows 1) Archos XS202S 2) Sony NWA3000 Silver 20Gb have heard mixed views about both of these, but basically since getting the Ipod, my music collection has grown somewhat and so finding that 4 gig was very restricted. Main uses really are listening to music when on breaks at work, when going out for a walk, and when doing things homw here in general. The player I'd really like though is something but Iriver but the company I work for don't stock these, shame on them for that, as I get loads of people asking for them. Annyway any help on the above would be much appreciated.