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RX 6600XT 1080p gaming for $379 on Aug 11

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This,as AMD CBA unlike Nvidia to partner with a local UK retailer. They think the UK is not a significant market,and now they won't ship here from the EU.Nvidia,OTH,seems to respect the UK more as a market.

I really wanted an RX6700XT,so gave up and got an RTX3060TI for £369. All my mates who wanted an AMD GPU,have just either given up or bought an Nvidia one. The AMD RRPs were not only not great,but the street price even at launch was poor.

The cheapest RX6700XT I saw was on OcUK during that forum deal and it was still nearly a £100 more.


If you`ve ever had any dealings at all with Digital River, them not selling AMD products in the UK is a blessing. Its why Nv have partnered with *A.N.Other* retailer for the official channel now here. Im sure @Gibbo has talked to AMD for a possible similar arrangement ?
 
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margins have gone up. i seen some results yesterday somewhere i think was amd margin have rocketed, so are making a fortune
Yeah all these companies are using covid and the so called component shortages / price rises as an excuse to fleece consumers, I hope it comes back to bite them.
 
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Yeah all these companies are using covid and the so called component shortages / price rises as an excuse to fleece consumers, I hope it comes back to bite them.


You are aware component shortages are effecting everything with a computer? Aircraft production , cars, medical equipment? The shortages are very real, as its the logistical issues as well.
 
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You are aware component shortages are effecting everything with a computer? Aircraft production , cars, medical equipment? The shortages are very real, as its the logistical issues as well.
if that was the case, margins would remain static or even lower, even nvidias margins had increased, so no 2 ways about it, this gen we getting fleeced
 
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Thats not `manufacturers suggested retail price` though , thats the add in board makers price, complete difference. Have you missed the entire pandemic and the lack of core materials for computers on the entire planet? Ford have car parks full of F150`s waiting for computers Ford F-150 pickups trapped in Detroit lot amid semiconductor shortage (freep.com) , the sales lead time for an A class Merc with wifi connect pack is 15 months. Prices are going up on everything.

I haven't missed anything, thank you
 
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if that was the case, margins would remain static or even lower, even nvidias margins had increased, so no 2 ways about it, this gen we getting fleeced


Gibbo has already said how much the middlemen *importers / distributors* have put prices up . Every step along the way , from raw materials to final point of sale, prices are climbing - but when cargo space price has risen by 400% in the last 7 months ( source - 5 reasons global shipping costs will continue to rise | Article | ING Think), that cost is passed along in the same chain and isnt going to come back down in a hurry.
 
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Gibbo has already said how much the middlemen *importers / distributors* have put prices up . Every step along the way , from raw materials to final point of sale, prices are climbing - but when cargo space price has risen by 400% in the last 7 months ( source - 5 reasons global shipping costs will continue to rise | Article | ING Think), that cost is passed along in the same chain and isnt going to come back down in a hurry.
but as you know margin is what is made on said product after material costs etc etc counted, im not accusing oc, in fact oc has gone out of its way to show us some of the margins, im accusing amd/nvidia forone havent even got to the middle yet,lol
 
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if that was the case, margins would remain static or even lower, even nvidias margins had increased, so no 2 ways about it, this gen we getting fleeced

You cannot establish a direct correlation between the corporate fiscal performance of either AMD/Nvidia and the margins they are making on their consumer GPUs. Without knowledge of their fixed cost vs variable cost baseline or product mix, with such a significant increase in overall revenues, any conclusions regarding individual product line profitability is 100% conjecture.
 
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You are aware component shortages are effecting everything with a computer? Aircraft production , cars, medical equipment? The shortages are very real, as its the logistical issues as well.
Yes, but while the shortage is real enough, don't these industries operate in dogmatic just-in-time way and never keep any stock.
Plus didn't car manufacturers reacted to Covid by decreasing orders? So isn't at least part of that industry's troubles is partially self-inflicted?
 
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You cannot establish a direct correlation between the corporate fiscal performance of either AMD/Nvidia and the margins they are making on their consumer GPUs. Without knowledge of their fixed cost vs variable cost baseline or product mix, with such a significant increase in overall revenues, any conclusions regarding individual product line profitability is 100% conjecture.
so can you show me evidence to the contrary, otherwise your arguement is conjecture, margin is up across the board, except nvidia margin not as great as last crypto boom
 
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so can you show me evidence to the contrary, otherwise your arguement is conjecture, margin is up across the board, except nvidia margin not as great as last crypto boom

The claims in this thread are that margins must be higher on GPUs for overall margin to have increased. My point is that this conclusion cannot be drawn from the available evidence. That is a fact. For example, with AMD’s revenues doubling, their product margin could remain static (or even decrease) but providing their fixed cost remained static, and their product margin stayed the same, the over corporate margin would increase. Simple fiscal maths.
 
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margins on gpu are very low, amd isnt bothered about selling gpu's imo, the margin comes from cpu's, but taken as one margins are up, amd arent going to make a product if a loss nor any other company for that matter, , cpu sales have fallen off,but wernt off the scale anyway, was small time period when stock was tight on certain cpu's, gpu sales risen hugely, shipped far more than before, their margin is up, taken as a whole the company is fleecing its customers, doesnt matter if cpu,gpu,apu, still fleecing its customers
 
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margins on gpu are very low, amd isnt bothered about selling gpu's imo, the margin comes from cpu's, but taken as one margins are up, amd arent going to make a product if a loss nor any other company for that matter, , cpu sales have fallen off,but wernt off the scale anyway, was small time period when stock was tight on certain cpu's, gpu sales risen hugely, shipped far more than before, their margin is up, taken as a whole the company is fleecing its customers, doesnt matter if cpu,gpu,apu, still fleecing its customers

its called capitalism ;)
 
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its called capitalism ;)

Or alternatively called business. Capitalism is private ownership of industries, rather than government. It’s why even much of China is now considered to be capitalism. Business needs to make profit to reinvest in R&D. Shareholders also take a cut.

Without enough profit, a business doesn’t invest in new products. AMD’s revenues have doubled year on year, with a 4 points increase in margin. This increased margin is very plausibly due to the significant increase in revenues whilst keeping their fixed cost constant/controlled. That is good business practice, without the need to take more margin on your product sales.

it certainly doesn’t support a view that customers are being ‘fleeced’ (taking someone’s money dishonestly) by AMD or Nvidia over GPU prices (or any of their consumer products for that matter).
 
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Or alternatively called business. Capitalism is private ownership of industries, rather than government. It’s why even much of China is now considered to be capitalism. Business needs to make profit to reinvest in R&D. Shareholders also take a cut.

Without enough profit, a business doesn’t invest in new products. AMD’s revenues have doubled year on year, with a 4 points increase in margin. This increased margin is very plausibly due to the significant increase in revenues whilst keeping their fixed cost constant/controlled. That is good business practice, without the need to take more margin on your product sales.

it certainly doesn’t support a view that customers are being ‘fleeced’ (taking someone’s money dishonestly) by AMD or Nvidia over GPU prices (or any of their consumer products for that matter).

Well yes, China is authoritarian capitalism.... true communism has only existed once, in northern Greece at the end of ww2 and Churchill crushed it. Were due a huge bust cycle anyway, all part of the way capital moves araound. The current limitations are a barrier for capital, so it`ll need to innovate around it. Anyway, nothing to do with 6600xt :p
 
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