Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by GIBURROWS, 24 May 2021.
Hey don't spoil it I was hoping to get a new telly tonight.
Also very interesting to learn from what they're doing well!
Do you disagree with my second paragraph?
Its because some cultures have very different values that lead to a large focus on the family unit, education and community. Thos things are unsurprisingly not very present in many of the poorest communities in the UK. They aren't massively present in the richest either these days but thats not such an issue for them.
We know what they are doing well. Some of what they do is also not very healthy for a well integrated mutli-racial country however.
BLM is a black criminal rights movement so I'm sure she'll be raising money for the shooter's legal costs.
I agree. I have no problem with the police outgunning the criminals. That's how I prefer it to be.
Yes, it's essential weaponry for a specific purpose.
I don't know, ask a Momentum groupie.
Yes, the US situation is very different. The 2nd amendment has essentially spawned an arms race between criminals and police.
Seeing cops carrying SMG's is quite scary (yes I've seen it in the US). Not here obviously.
I'd better get this in quick then.
See it often at UK airports. Can't say it bothers me though. America is something else though
On the streets with rifles. Nope. I'll stick to safe little Britain, thanks.
he said "I don't agree with anything blm but you shouldn't have to die over it"
So basically he's admitting on here he doesn't think black lives matter as much as white lives
I don't want to get drawn into some long, arduous back and forth on this. I 'just' simply don't see why black people wouldn't be as prosperous as the east Asian immigrants or as poor as the central Asian contingent from the likes of Bangladesh. To skip around your point a bit, it may have something to do with your last sentence, as a lot of folk don't have a home nation that fits this description. The wealth is distinctly weighted to the East and the West, with the middle having been the target of East and West exploitation. This includes the poorer parts of Europe and the unstable middle East where the borders are still being debated at a fundamental level and corruption is ripe.
I agree you don't come into this life with anything more than £0 to your name, but you must agree that folk are significantly more advantaged if they have anything between a trust fund or something as daft as the use of their mums car to give them a head start on jobs a bit better paying/further out of town. It is a bit like the root cause of terrorism playing out where we expect to draw a line under things and make friends, but ignore the fact peoples families and livelihoods have been destroyed and there is fury and rage fuelling disenfranchised youth. We have a mini version of this but the on-set of social media has meant this upset can be unified and organised with ease over vast geographies.
As others have said, I hate the way the current critical race theory politics are playing out. I hate how woke is used as a derogatory term and how left and right wing are the 'only' viewpoints. I hate how critical thinking has been eroded and very few are employing the "slow" part of their brain to actually discuss and debate for enrichment rather than conclusion (Thinking Fast/Slow is a great read). I hate how so many of these conversations are about getting to an answer when that isn't the point of discussing such complicated things and it is almost always never that easy.
Aren't you in your 60s? This is six-former levels of discourse.
It is tricky because, as I understand it (and have very limited time to research it), BLM as an organised initiative is now someway away from what BLM as a mantra meant.
I'm sure she'll issue a fullsome apology and attack the culprits if they turn out to be some black gang bangers.
The main aim for the BLM movement is for black lives to matter. If someone says they don't agree with anything BLM stands for, then it's really not a stretch to infer that they are saying they don't think black lives matter.
Well obviously a lot of black people don't seem to think black lives matter considering the amount of time they spend stabbing each other.
That's incredibly disingenuous and really *is* a stretch as it deliberately takes a worst-case reading of what was said when a more reasonable reading would be that he disagrees with the BLM organisation rather than the principle (a view shared by many and not considered contentious). Of course we don't know what he actually meant unless he clarifies - which wouldn't be necessary if his OP was clearer.
We’re all entitled to our opinions, and no matter what your opinion of Boris and the alleged “bunch of clowns” in his cabinet is, it’s my opinion that they are a better choice to run the country, than the shower of crypto communists that not only harbours Diane Abbot in its ranks, but until recently had the foaming at the mouth Mao Tse Tung fan John McDonnell as Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer.
I consider myself to be reasonably intelligent, although I’m certainly no candidate for University Challenge, but I like to at least hope that a sizeable chunk of the electorate are intelligent enough to not want anything to do with Labour.
Laughably nonsense of the sort only simpletons would actually believe. Next you be telling us that 'anti racists' can't be racist...
Cos its in the name innit?
Spoiler: See here
BLM can mean one of two things both of which make no sense to support, unlike cancer research.
One is a violent, nasty, anti semitic, Marxist organisation that, amongst other things, wants to do away with the traditional family unit and get rid of the police.
The other is a vague sentiment following the meaning of the words in the slogan....
.... with the suggestion being that society as a whole doesn't care for black lives or cares for them less than other ethnicities.
This is demonstrable nonsense.
The single biggest cause of a violent untimely death for a black persons in the UK and the US is being killed by another black person.
It's true that most whites murdered are murdered by other whites but the rates for blacks killing blacks, on a per capita basis are massively higher than the rates for whites killing whites.
Interracially, on a per capita basis, blacks kill whites at around twelve times the rate as the other way around in the US.
As of July of 2016 African Americans were the largest racial minority, amounting to an estimated 12.7%
In the same year the FBI figures for homicides nationwide shows that, where the race of the offender was known, this was the break down for homicides involving blacks and whites as either victims or perpetrators.
White victim total = 3,499
Pepetrator White = 2,854
Perpetrator Black = 533
Black or African American victim total = 2,870
Perpetrator White =243
Pepetrator Black = 2,570
So what can we glean from these figures?
For whites just over 81.5% of murders were committed by other whites
and just over 15. 2‰ were committed by blacks
For Black's the figures were just over 8.46%
murded by whites
and over 89.5‰ for deaths at the hands of other blacks.
And let's look at the absolute figures..
Black's killed 533 whites when they made up 12.7‰ of the population
And whites killed 243 blacks when they made up 76.9‰ of the population
So not only did whites kill less blacks then the other way around in overall numbers they did so whilst having over six times as many people in the country!
So you could express the racial disparity in interracial homicides in the USA, on a per capita basis, between blacks and whites as being in the region of over a factor of twelve in favour of the blacks much more frequently being the perpetrators in interacial murders between the two groups (just over six times as many whites as blacks in total and in absolute figures blacks kill over twice as many whites as vice versa)
The police kill, arrest and stop a disproportionate amount of blacks based on their percentage of the population but these disparities are caused primarily by the disproportionate violent crime rates for blacks as reported by witnesses to crimes.
U.S. Department of Justice
Office of Justice Programs
Bureau of Justice Statistics
Criminal Victimization, 2017
Nonfatal violent incidents, by total population, victim, and offender demographic characteristics, 2017
In about three-quarters (76%) of violent incidents where perceived offender characteristics were reported the victim perceived the offender to be male.
Based on victims’ reports, there were about four-fifths as many white offenders as the percentage of whites in the population, about twice as many black offenders as the percentage of blacks in the population, and about one-sixth as many Asian offenders as the percentage.
In the US whites arrested for violent crimes are significantly more likely to be killed by the police than blacks arrested for violent crimes.
The claim is often then made that blacks commit more crime either because they are poor or because of some legacy of suffering from slavery and segregation.
Neither of these make any sense when examined more closely.
There are nearly three times as many whites living in poverty in the US than blacks as an absolute number (the percentage for blacks as group is about double that of whites but there are far fewer blacks overall than whites).
From 2018 figures there were around 25, 295,122 White Americans living in poverty (as defined by the federal governments poverty threshold)
vs 9,148691 blacks living in poverty
So if poverty was the main issue then the poor whites should be massively inflating the rate of overall violent crimes for whites vs the smaller number of blacks living in poverty on the US.
If a legacy of oppression was the cause of crime then we could expect one of the most consistently oppressed groups in all of history (the Jews) to top the per capita rates for violent crime but we don't see this.
Instead we see them and other minority groups who often entered the US poor like Koreans and Indians not only surpassing blacks in many metrics (including not being arrested or incarcerated) but also significantly beating the white majority in many cases.
The conclusion should be obvious.
Culture matters and not all cultures are equal.
Whites don't underperform Koreans in many metrics in the US due to racism, systemic or otherwise, they do so because large parts of white culture in the US are inferior to large parts of the culture adopted by Koreans living in the US when it comes to things like economic success and avoiding incarceration.
The same applies to other racial groups when compared to one another.
You can also look at the significant disparities within 'blacks' as a group.
Whites are one of the least likely of all racial groups to goto university in the UK.
Afro Caribbeans attend a rate close to whites but black Africans attend at a much higher rate than either whites or Afro Caribbeans.
About 33% of white British school students enrolled in university in the academic years 2010/11 and 2011/12.
That is the lowest enrolment rate of any ethnic group
—next lowest is Black Caribbean students at 37%. By comparison the highest performing groups were Chinese students (76%), Indian students (67%) and Black African students (57%).
Recent research suggests white British attendance has fallen since then.
Again the answer is in culture not racism.
People are done taking uncritical lectures by the likes of BLM supporters about things like supposed white privellege because their claims are all based on lies.
You can't really argue that it's a huge stretch to draw the most literal conclusion possible while also acknowledging that the post was ambiguous.
BLM is about legalising black criminality. The nice-sounding name is just fool 80 IQs.
Separate names with a comma.