Scottish Inderef Mk2 - lets have a civilized discussion folks.

mmj_uk · 21 Mar 2017 at 18:35

What percentage do you guys suggest? perhaps we can hold a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty since we were never given the choice as to whether to join the EU political project in the first place. I suspect 52% is a lot higher than what a referendum on actually joining the EU would have gotten.

Macro · 21 Mar 2017 at 18:46

>60% of the population eligible to vote?

scorza · 21 Mar 2017 at 19:41

[TW]Fox said:
Have we not learnt that simple majority for major constitutional change perhaps isn't optimal?

Frankly no. What's the alternative? 10-20 people sat in smoke-filled rooms deciding what changes should be made to the constitution?

a1ex2001 · 22 Mar 2017 at 07:39

scorza said:
Frankly no. What's the alternative? 10-20 people sat in smoke-filled rooms deciding what changes should be made to the constitution?

The alternative is a representative democracy made up of elected officials doing what we chose them to do. Direct democracy like this doesn't work!

Uther · 22 Mar 2017 at 08:04

I doubt too many people actually believed that the UK (well mainly England) would vote to leave the EU when the original Indy ref was held, so I am not at all surprised that the main party in Scotland want to look at it again.
I get the impression that some people (not necessarily here...) seem to think that Scotland belongs to England in some way, whereas it is just a union, and if one side wants to leave then it should be their choice to do so.

Dis86 · 22 Mar 2017 at 09:27

Uther said:
I doubt too many people actually believed that the UK (well mainly England) would vote to leave the EU when the original Indy ref was held, so I am not at all surprised that the main party in Scotland want to look at it again.
I get the impression that some people (not necessarily here...) seem to think that Scotland belongs to England in some way, whereas it is just a union, and if one side wants to leave then it should be their choice to do so.

It doesn't matter how many people believed it was happening. The EU vote had been promised, if it was that important to the future of Scotland they should have waited until after the outcome was known to hold their referendum.

=XDC=FluphyBunny · 22 Mar 2017 at 10:44

Dis86 said:
It doesn't matter how many people believed it was happening. The EU vote had been promised, if it was that important to the future of Scotland they should have waited until after the outcome was known to hold their referendum.

In addition to that evilKrankie pushing for another Independence vote at a time when no one can say what effect Brexit will have on the UK (including Scotland) is at best stupid. At worst, and my personal opinion, it is a means to hold onto power. Sturgeon would see Scotland ruined if allowed her to continue as the leader of the SNP.

Mr.E. · 22 Mar 2017 at 10:50

I hope the SNP get a big fright in the up coming local elections. It might put her back in her kennel for a while.

Dis86 · 22 Mar 2017 at 11:10

=XDC=FluphyBunny said:
In addition to that evilKrankie pushing for another Independence vote at a time when no one can say what effect Brexit will have on the UK (including Scotland) is at best stupid. At worst, and my personal opinion, it is a means to hold onto power. Sturgeon would see Scotland ruined if allowed her to continue as the leader of the SNP.

Bang on what I was saying at the start of this thread. They're either morons or...did it intentionally hoping for a second chance should the first. In which case they're liars.