The Tesla Thread

[iaind]

Lol, majority sounds extremely dubious!

I know in Exeter where I live, almost all the houses are Victorian terraces, from the smallest 2 bed ones to big family 4 bed ones. Relatively few people living in this city would be able to get a charging socket installed.

 

[xs2man]

"The majority"

Got anything to back that up? The stats I've found suggest over 45% of UK homes are flats or terraced houses.

So what are the other 55% then? Apart from the Majority?

 

[Glaucus]

Since when did terraces mean no driveways. Most terraces have made drive ways out of their front garden these days.
Also plenty of converted house flats have done the same. Sacrificed front garden for parking spaces split between the flats.

They quoted figures from the RAC Foundation, which found that while 53 per cent of households had access to a garage, only 24 per cent used them.

That's just households with a garage let alone a driveway.

Lol, majority sounds extremely dubious!

I know in Exeter where I live, almost all the houses are Victorian terraces, from the smallest 2 bed ones to big family 4 bed ones. Relatively few people living in this city would be able to get a charging socket installed.

Except they would, they just wouldn't be first adopters, such people will wait for infrastructure. Car parks and roadside parking can and do have charging points. It's not some impossible to over come issue.

 

[Skeeter]

So what are the other 55% then? Apart from the Majority?

Semi-Detached and Detached.

Since when did terraces mean no driveways.

I never said it did.

I didn't say 45% of houses have no driveways. I said 45% of houses are flats or terraced.

I asked you to substantiate the "majority" claim. Deliberately misinterpreting what I said in order to then tell me I'm wrong is not evidence, its just aggressive defence, your standard reaction.

Prove to me that the majority of households in the UK could have a high speed home charger installed.

It's not some impossible to over come issue.

Batteries will never hit the speed of refueling that petrol/diesel does.

 

[xs2man]

Semi-Detached and Detached.

So, I would think the VAST majority of semi detached and detached properties would have drive-ways, or some form of off-street parking at least. As well as many flats and terraced houses having similar access, as stated above.

I've lived in at least 3 flats that have had garages / off street parking where installation of a charger would be easy enough.

I would imagine it is you who would need to prove the majority couldn't have such equipment installed.

 

[Glaucus]

Oh look changing your stance, you said most people won't be able to have home chargers, that's reading what you wrote, you then said about flats and terrace, if you weren't implying they didn't have driveways then why post it. Which is clearly wrong.

Why couldn't most homes have faster charging with a change of main fuse box.

Oh no never reach the speed of refuelling, what a non issue fir 99.9% of people.
Batteries however are getting faster charging and higher capacity all the time, and no sign of this slowing and if you actually look at prototypes the rate is increasing. Lots of breakthroughs several years ago. We should start seeing much better batteries in 2018-2020, when some of these should get it to production.

You carry on be living this rubbish, lets see what the market looks like by 2020 and 2030.
Just look back even two years ago in these sorts if threads and most people hated RVs and said they would never get one, opinions change fast always have and always will.

 

[Skeeter]

Got any stats to support that 99.9%?

0.01% of UK cars is just 350,000. The remaining 34,650,000 cars never do more than your average ~10 miles a day?

Do you own an electric car, Glaucus?

Just look back even two years ago in these sorts if threads and most people hated RVs and said they would never get one, opinions change fast always have and always will.

Eh?

 

[Glaucus]

So people can't charge at all during the day?
Such a hardhaip plugging it in at work while you aren't driving or shopping every 2hrs for 30mins. Etc.


Just more utterly stupid comments.

 

[Skeeter]

I certainly couldn't.

Neither could my GF. Or either of my parents (my dad does 150+ miles a day as a driver too). Neither of my sisters could (one office based, one a teacher). In fact, out of my family and friends I think I know of 1, maybe 2, who have the ability to charge at work.

I also couldn't charge at home (rented with only communal and on street parking). Neither of the 3 previous houses could have either. My parents could if they tarmaced their garden (which they wont, they like having a garden).

Do you own an electric car?

 

[Glaucus]

Oh no you couldn't currently do it.
That's it ban Eva they're dead.
There's no room for better infrastructure.
Couldn't possibly sell to the large group it does work fir whilst infrastructure and technology build up allowing larger and larger groups to use them.

And this is the issue with your comments in here. Because it doesn't work for you currently. You dint think it would work fir the majority and you seem oblivious to the fact it most certainly could work fir you in the future, and there's no need for everyone to swap this instant. In fact a to large a take up over a short period would be bad.

Most houses have 40-100 amp capability. Meaning most could have at least a 32amp charger and the ones at higher end could have a dual charger.

 

[Skeeter]

That's it ban Eva they're dead.

Poor Eva.

Most houses have 40-100 amp capability.

Evidence please. A quick Google suggests 100 Amps is about the maximum you would ever get from any UK household.

 

[Glaucus]

I googled it and internet said 40-100amps was the typical supply to a house, depending on local supply and connecting cables.
That's the most I can do I'm not an electrical engineer in the know.

 

[Skeeter]

Yet you feel confident enough to aggressively state, as if it were a fact, that houses could put aside at least 32 Amps, and some 64 Amps, to run a car charger.

I feel like we had this conversation before in another Tesla thread?

Edit: Yep, we did https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/s...&highlight=amps+username_Glaucus#post26320906

22 miles range per hours charge is the most you would expect the majority of UK households to get (For an S).

 

[Glaucus]

How about western power distribution, saying a new connection is typically 15kw, and if you need more then you have to request.

What's 15kw ~60amps.

So yes I am confident most houses could have a 32amp charger.

And yet you state most people can't have home chargers with such confidence and no evidence. Shall I ask you why your so confident in with that. Works both ways.

 

[Skeeter]

I'd need more knowledge than I have to be able to make confident statements about the electricity supply into houses.

I am however perfectly qualified to state with confidence evidence based on what I have seen with my own eyes.

Everyone in my street seems to own one or more cars. Not a single one of them could have a home charger installed.

 

[Skeeter]

What's 15kw ~60amps.

So yes I am confident most houses could have a 32amp charger.

https://www.zap-map.com/charge-points/charging-home/

Most suppliers provide two power rating options either a “standard” 3kW or “fast” 7kW. Expect to pay more for the 7kW option, however it will reduce charge time significantly e.g. for a Nissan Leaf a 3kW home charge unit will provide a full charge in 6-8 hours, wheras a 7kW unit will take 3-4 hours.

It doesn't look like you can get anything above 7kW in the UK without heading down to route of specialists.

Getting things back on topic, if the Model 3 comes with a 85kWh battery, using a 3kW charger it would take 28.3 hours to charge it, and with a 7kWh charger it would take 12.1 hours.
The Model S stats put the 85kWh battery at 320miles of range. if 1kW is 3.7 miles, that means the 3kWh charger gives you about 10 miles per hour of charge, and the 7kWh gives 25 miles per hour of charge.

 

[Glaucus]

Thanks for proofing yourself wrong, 7kw is a fast charger so thanks for posting. Smidge over 12hours for 85kwh car. So yes 200 miles is well within a nights charge for most people, 200miles would be more like a 65kwh pack (real world figures)( Chevy bolt is a 60kwh pack) so 9.5hours charge time. Most people are home for more than 9hrs at night.

And Tesla will "soon" be offering a double charge (uk website) so for those who can, you can half that time.

 

[Skeeter]

If you can run a 14kWh charger, sure.

Your missing the point that this is it, thats as good as home charging is ever and will ever get. 7kWh is the most that most UK households will ever see.

From here if the capacity of batteries increases home charging just gets longer. If people have 2 EVs at home then charging just gets longer. At one point my family had 5 cars. The bottleneck of home charging is already here, hence my stance that it's already dead. It's a non starter for so many people for so many reasons. Attention should be focused elsewhere.

Do you own an electric car?

 

[Glaucus]

If you can run a 14kWh charger, sure.

So ignore the bit where even with a normal 7kw home charger you can still easily do 200mile charge at home in 9.5hours, so when you said 200mile range at home charging isn't going to happen. Well that's just wrong. Most people are home at night for far longer than 9.5hours.
And with a 14kwh one your sub 5hrs.

 

[Skeeter]

I didn't ignore it, I posted it

What if you have more than 1 car? I'm pretty sure the number of cars per household is more than 1 in the UK (I will find some proof, I wouldn't want to make baseless statements).

Do you own an electric car?