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Poll: Traveling by Train - 1st class seat dilema!

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Efour, 2 May 2011.

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What would you do ?

  1. I sit in it until an inspector asked me to pay extra or move.

    91 vote(s)
    38.9%
  2. I wont dare sit in it, I didnt pay for it.

    122 vote(s)
    52.1%
  3. The 9:15 pancake has been delayed due to a signal failiure at Lysander Park.

    21 vote(s)
    9.0%
  1. Mattus

    Capodecina

    Joined: 30 Sep 2003

    Posts: 10,916

    Location: London

    Depends. If you have a seat reservation then you've paid for a seat. If you just have a ticket then you haven't paid for a seat - only to be on the train!

    Surely if you have a seat reservation then you have the right to kick someone else out of that particular seat, but not to sit in a different one in first class?
     
  2. [TW]Fox

    Man of Honour

    Joined: 17 Oct 2002

    Posts: 157,634

    No.
     
  3. Vonhelmet

    Caporegime

    Joined: 28 Jun 2005

    Posts: 48,104

    Location: On the hoods

    All those people giving train quotes... I need to travel on a Sunday, which significantly complicates things.
     
  4. [TW]Fox

    Man of Honour

    Joined: 17 Oct 2002

    Posts: 157,634

    It does?
     
  5. Vonhelmet

    Caporegime

    Joined: 28 Jun 2005

    Posts: 48,104

    Location: On the hoods

    Well, it does if thetrainline is to be believed. When I looked they had no trains that were remotely convenient or cheap.

    And even allowing for check in time etc it still takes less time to fly and is cheaper on that journey.
     
  6. Pawnless Endgame

    Capodecina

    Joined: 10 May 2004

    Posts: 11,521

    Location: Sunny Stafford

    Have anyone had a situation where half of the carriages i.e. 4 out of 8 are first class? The cattle class half becomes packed like sardines while the other half only have about 6 people total. It's an attempt of the operator to get the mere mortals to fork out an extra £10/£15 so that they can breathe again! It doesn't happen often, but it's annoying when it does happen.
     
  7. [TW]Fox

    Man of Honour

    Joined: 17 Oct 2002

    Posts: 157,634

    Such an occurance would be highly irregular.

    IF it happens, and I doubt it does, this wouldn't be the reason. There isnt that much flexibility in formations for a start!
     
  8. Pawnless Endgame

    Capodecina

    Joined: 10 May 2004

    Posts: 11,521

    Location: Sunny Stafford

    Ahh okies Fox, didn't realise :)
     
  9. Energize

    Caporegime

    Joined: 12 Mar 2004

    Posts: 29,068

    Location: England

    Prices are so inconsistent on the UK networks it's unbelievable and first class can be extortionate. To get a return ticket to London it costs me £17.20, £48.30 for 1st class but it's £42.80 to Aberystwyth and £211 for 1st class, for what a £5 free meal? Arriva trains don't even have first class so I'd be paying for first class to Wolverhampton only yet it costs hundreds more than London!
     
  10. Stretch

    Capodecina

    Joined: 14 Feb 2004

    Posts: 13,250

    Location: Peoples Republic of Histonia, Cambridge

    No, but he paid to sit somewhere and all the seats were taken which is equally unacceptable.
     
  11. Gazza123

    Gangster

    Joined: 19 Feb 2010

    Posts: 232

    I do split ticketing quite regularly between Plymouth and Liverpool. Usually costs me about £22 for the whole journey. I don't really have a problem sitting in cattle class though, i'm a student!
     
  12. Scam

    Capodecina

    Joined: 20 Oct 2002

    Posts: 14,465

    Location: London

    Well, he's not far wrong. If you look at fgw's website it states that for the new high speed trains, out if 8 carriages 1 is the buffet car and 2.5 is first class. So nearly 3 out of 7. Almost half. I'm sure they add more 1st class too!

    http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/Content.aspx?id=1991
     
    Last edited: 2 May 2011
  13. xolotl

    Man of Honour

    Joined: 9 Nov 2004

    Posts: 2,141

    Nearly almost half isn't a particularly compelling point. Although I do agree generally. A better example would be the Pendolinos as on a 9 car set there are four first class and five standard with the shop in standard class.
     
  14. Dokinator

    Hitman

    Joined: 14 Apr 2011

    Posts: 998

    Location: Essex United Kingdom

    I sit in 1st Class because I can and I get free train travel :D
     
  15. [TW]Fox

    Man of Honour

    Joined: 17 Oct 2002

    Posts: 157,634

    Thats not really correct at all, is it?

    On a typical refurbished FGW HST you have 2 full First Class Opens, a Buffet First (So that Buffet car is infact the 0.5 First Class car as well) and the remainder of the coaches - thats 5 of them - are standard class.

    So there is TWICE as much standard class accomodation in terms of coaches alone!

    They certainly don't add more, either - FGW HST's are fixed formation, only in the event of something going wrong will you find them varying from the fixed formation.
     
  16. Bobcat

    Wise Guy

    Joined: 19 Oct 2002

    Posts: 1,553

    Location: Swansea

    I have been traveling from Swansea to Paddigton on a Monday morning and home on Friday afternoon using FGW for months and always travel in First Class, because I book in advanced its £98 on the way up and £38 on the way back, I think that's pretty good for First Class.

    If I turn up at the station on the morning of travel it will cost me £114 single and £42 for my return in Standards Class, booking in advance not only gets me cheaper travel but I get to travel in First Class.

    I have seen many people being caught out by being in First Class when they shouldn't have, foreign people on their holiday and not realizing to people blatantly trying it on, they all get treated the same, pay full price on the day First Class rates which is a few hundred quid or move into Standard Class, everyone moves, I have not seen anyone getting a cheap upgrade that has been mentioned.

    Personally I wouldn't sit in First Class if I hadn't paid for it, I would not like the embarrassment of being asked to move.
     
  17. Dr Who

    Sgarrista

    Joined: 11 Nov 2004

    Posts: 8,158

    Location: Wiltshire

    This is exactly what an Airline would do, why not a railway?
     
  18. shine

    Mobster

    Joined: 23 Aug 2005

    Posts: 3,955

    Location: Beds

    Can you imagine the outrage if you got to a station and were told to wait until the following day to travel as all the trains that day were full!
     
  19. xolotl

    Man of Honour

    Joined: 9 Nov 2004

    Posts: 2,141

    This seems to be a point a that is lost on many people but a train is a not a plane and should not be operated as such.
     
  20. Amp34

    Caporegime

    Joined: 25 Jul 2005

    Posts: 28,867

    Location: Canada

    No, as has already been pointed out to you and others if you don't have a reservation you have not paid for a seat, you have paid for transport on a particular day (you can't get tickets for a specific train without a seat reservation!), between two stations.

    So that means if you don't have a seat you have three perfectly fine options, get a standard class seat, stand up on that train OR wait for the next available train on that route. If you need to be on a specific train at a specific time, get a seat reservation...