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uHOH ! Sapphire 5850 vanilla not reference ??

Discussion in 'Graphics Cards' started by Vogon, 16 Apr 2010.

  1. Vogon

    Mobster

    Joined: 14 Nov 2002

    Posts: 4,208

    Guys, just recieved my Sapphire 5850 from OCuK, and I am concerned its not a ref design.
    Its on a blue pcb for a start, no ATI/AMD print near the pci-e and the cooler doesn't look like the square reference one ...

    not best pleased if its not, might have to return it :(
     
  2. Nico_Joey

    Hitman

    Joined: 3 Mar 2008

    Posts: 909

    Location: Land Based

    Afaik, all the AMD partners are bringing out non-reference designs that look to have a better cooler, but often have less coper in them,aswell as cheaper ram/volt chips, which reduce overclocking or completely disable it, to increase margins/reduce production costs.

    Had to swap my PCS+ (not a bad card)for a HIS refence board for a ek block to fit, and it seems no-one has any reference 5850s for sale anymore. I belive the 5870s are still reference, but as most people here and other forums know of how fantastic the ref 5850s are (5870 o/clocks+), they seem to have all gone.

    If not going for watercooling, i would have a look at the PCS+ / Vapour-x/Toxic, cards for both 5850/5870


    Edit: Not sure about Asus, but they may still be reference as their advertised as 'voltage tweak'.
    Allso, if you do want to send it back, do so asap as the 7 day Distance Selling Regulations applies afaik.

    Hope that helps :]
     
    Last edited: 16 Apr 2010
  3. RavenXXX2

    Capodecina

    Joined: 6 Oct 2007

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    Location: North West

    Nah it's not right, they should use the actual picture of the card you're getting, I think you could return it under them grounds.

    As for none reference, slightly better cooling " the fan looks very fragile compared to reference ones " but cheaper parts and no volt adjustment.
     
  4. C64

    Capodecina

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    Location: London

    See how it clocks and cools first could well be better than the reference.
     
  5. RavenXXX2

    Capodecina

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    With no volt control, it will never clock as high as a reference card.
     
  6. stinkas

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    Joined: 7 Apr 2010

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    and you invalidate warranty on a card you want to return...
     
  7. johny dolan

    Wise Guy

    Joined: 22 Jul 2007

    Posts: 1,396

    Location: nottingham

    I bought this Sapphire from ocuk http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-214-SP&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=1502 last week to go xfire with my other sapphire 5870 this is what turned up last week

    http://sites.google.com/site/ayupfromdik/files/crossfire.JPG?attredirects=0&d=1

    Its on its way back to ocuk for rma because it wouldn't hold its xfire lock.Load heaven bench and runs nice xfire frame rate then close and reload the benchmark and it runs single card performance and it was the same with all my benchmarks and games.

    The build quality on this new card feels very cheap and when i placed it underneath the reference card the fan noise when the card got hot drove me nuts and swapping them around resulted in a quieter set of cards.

    The card i got is not the card shown on ocuk and it didnt work well with my other reference card.
     
  8. Vogon

    Mobster

    Joined: 14 Nov 2002

    Posts: 4,208

    Yeah Guys its not reference for sure :(
    Phoned OcuK and will be returned, I aint worried about non ref coolers, but the non ref boards are a pain as I need it to fit on the 5850 EK waterblock.

    Pictures are listed as for "illustration only" which is fair point. ..... now I gotta hunt for a ref design, Asus pull ya fingers out :p
     
  9. RavenXXX2

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    Nah, they can't tell if it's been overclocked never mind volts changes with software.
     
  10. Torquar

    Hitman

    Joined: 24 Jan 2006

    Posts: 634

    Is there any way to tell if the 5870 you're about to buy is reference or not?
     
  11. johny dolan

    Wise Guy

    Joined: 22 Jul 2007

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    Location: nottingham

    Both my sapphire boxes are identical and they dont show a pic of the card.

    Id think all the new sapphires are using the new pcb and cooler now.
     
  12. up2nogooduk

    Wise Guy

    Joined: 13 Feb 2009

    Posts: 1,950

    Location: London

    +1
    I got a Sapphire ATI Radeon HD 5870 Vapor-X a while back.
    Pic showed V1 with the black board. but i got V2 with the blue board.
    So it went back.
    I knew V1 would clock better then V2.
    From this day it still shows V1, where it's V2.
    In my eyes this is not right.
    The pic's should be updated, otherwise people will only send them back.:p
     
  13. Ultim8

    Hitman

    Joined: 27 Nov 2008

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    Location: UK

    its quite easy if the sapphire code starts with a 2 its an AMD built card if its a 1 its Sapphires own PCB design and components.

    Maybe a should do a post explaining the Sapphire codes.
     
  14. C64

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    I have a sapphire blue pcb 5770 and it clocks like a dream
     
  15. RavenXXX2

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    Some one should tell OCUK that then, they seem to be sending out none-reference cards, with reference codes on the product description page for them.
     
  16. Martini1991

    Caporegime

    Joined: 18 Sep 2009

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    Location: Dormanstown.

    Nothing is reference any more.
    MSI/Asus aren't reference afaik, but still allow voltage tweak.

    You can get some ATI OEM's on a certain competitor.
     
  17. Ultim8

    Hitman

    Joined: 27 Nov 2008

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    Location: UK

    there is some ref cards still about asus's model number has V2 for version 2/Custom built and if it doesn't its custom. Problem is OcUK probably arn't told when its a reference board or not when they buy them direct/distribution so cant really blame them if they are unaware that what they are buying has changed.
     
  18. Mercurial

    Gangster

    Joined: 19 Oct 2002

    Posts: 144

    Location: The Faithful City

    Hi,

    I received a reply when querying if the below product was an ATI reference card from OCUK (Sapphire 5850);

    http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-215-SP

    "Thank you for your webnote.
    The product should be SKU 21162-00-50R as specified on our website."

    That SKU is for the reference board version.

    Are some people getting the Sapphire blue PCB version when ordering the above?
     
  19. Vogon

    Mobster

    Joined: 14 Nov 2002

    Posts: 4,208

    Thats the card I ordered and got a blue PCB one Mercurial.

    If Asus arent reference, I think it may be just the cooler, or do they have their own pcb too ? come to that even non ref coolers might be a pain if they have custom heatsinks on the back of the card (VRM I pressume).
     
    Last edited: 16 Apr 2010
  20. mattgal

    Gangster

    Joined: 2 Feb 2010

    Posts: 254

    Location: Malta

    was it the same sapphire combined with a CODMW2 game? if so, that's how it is supposed to be (according to their site)