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"UK refusal to issue gender-neutral passports unlawful, high court told"

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by dowie, 19 Apr 2018.

  1. dowie

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    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...er-neutral-passports-unlawful-high-court-told

    surprised this didn't get picked up already, can't find the current SJW thread but it seems GD-worthy anyway

    I don't see why the government wants to kick up such a fuss over it tbh... hardly a big deal if someone wants to pretend they're "non-binary" or define themselves and some other special thing... just stick an X on the passport and they can carry on with their issues.

    Anyway, what say you GD?
     
  2. Hotwired

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    Doesn't this require every country they want to go to, to also be happy that under male/female it says no comment.
     
  3. CREATIVE!11

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    What say you GD?

    Lol.

    I say.... lol.
     
  4. billysielu

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    I'm as against this whole gender neutral business as anyone - but what does your sex/gender really have to do with whether you can travel or not...
     
  5. JBod

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    I think the biggest issue is other countries validating it.
     
  6. Malevolence

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    If idiots want to have that on their passport, then so be it - that's their choice. But they'll have to live with the consequences of certain countries deciding not to allow them entry. It will, however, give them something else to whine to the media about.
     
  7. teaboy5

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    Should be fun if they go to some middle eastern country.

    All this gender stuff is pure BS and the sooner is goes away the better.
     
  8. Schlong&Stable

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    Your sex is male or female. Those who believe there's other options need to be sectioned under the mental health act.
     
  9. Minusorange

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    It's really simple biology at the end of the day, if you have a penis you're male, a vagina female

    I don't see why a man can't dress up as a female without needing to officially declare themselves as opposite biological sex, it's just a label

    And I'm sure if you get rushed to hospital due to a problem with your penis if you are pre op transgender, you'd want the doctor to treat you as a male rather than pretend your penis doesn't exist because you believe you're female
     
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  10. mjt

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    What if you have both/neither?
    What if you really don't feel a man even though you have a willy, or vice versa? Unfortunately life isn't that simple for some people.
     
  11. Lopéz

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    Didn't realise Jim Davidson was a member on here!
     
  12. Minusorange

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    There's nothing wrong with being transgender, I just think this whole issue over officially naming your gender is an absolutely stupid non issue, thinking you are something does not magically alter your biology or your DNA and we assign gender based on biology and DNA not "feelings"

    And it's not like changing the sex on a piece of paper is going to change the way people view you or give you any benefits over not doing it so I don't see the fuss
     
  13. IronWarrior

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    I don't think we should encourage mental illness.
     
  14. Hades

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    This is nuts but doesn't surprise me.

    I don't care what a person wishes to identify as in day-to-day life. But the purpose of a passport is to identify a person as who they are as they cross international borders. Their physical gender is a big part of that. What next? A dark haired person deciding they want to identify as blonde and having the right to use a photoshopped picture on their passport?
     
  15. Malevolence

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    What the government asks schoolkids in Brighton. :rolleyes:

    [​IMG]
     
  16. edscdk

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    It's not that simple read up on intersex.
     
  17. Sankari

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    The UK's refusal to issue gender-neutral passports is unlawful!







































    high court told
     
  18. omnomnom

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    Theres a difference between sex and gender though...ones anatomy and the other is more of a social thing, how that person sees themself etc.

    Without googling it thats the best ive got.

    I dont see the issue, let people be who they want to be. As for middle eastern countries having an issue with it...more fool them tbh.
     
  19. neil_g

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    What if you're mid process? (I'm not read up on it but I'm sure it's not as simple as "*chop* now you're female").

    Yeah labelling people through history has never done any harm at all.
     
  20. darkgen

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    Tish tosh bosh; Just base it on birth-gender as designated by the persons birth certificate. People can identify and dress up as whatever they wish. job done.