Unemployed yoof to pick up litter in return for benefits...

[Above&Beyond]

Retailers are constantly (re)hiring. Constantly. It is their BAU to be doing so. Staff regularly change retail jobs for other retail jobs when they have had enough as well. It's not just onto post-graduate jobs that they leave.

They won't be constantly rehiring over qualified graduates in a job they could have a student remain in for 3 years. It defies logic.

 

[dowie]

People are also forgetting that long term unemployment has tripped from 200,000 to 600,000 since 2004.

2004 happens to be a low point, look back further and it isn't quite so dramatic, throw in a major financial crisis in 08/09 and some of it is rather explainable then take a look at a chart and see the current trend is downwards - both long term unemployment and unemployment in general are currently falling

long term:



unemployment in general:



certainly seems to be going in the right direction

Unemployment fell by 58,000 to 1.91 million in the three months to the end of November, according to the latest Office for National Statistics (ONS) figures.

The number of people claiming Jobseeker's Allowance in October fell by 29,700 to 867,000, the ONS said.

The jobless rate was 5.8%.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10604117

 

[Dj_Jestar]

They won't be constantly rehiring over qualified graduates in a job they could have a student remain in for 3 years. It defies logic.

No, it really doesn't. Qualifications mean not a lot to retailers (unless you're applying for management, marketing, etc.). Your character does. If you're a nob, you'll put customers off. If you're well mannered and presentable, they'll like you.

"Loyalty" means nothing to them, nor does expected longevity.

Even management come and go on a whim. They are constantly transferring around from store to store for various reasons.

 

[balky12]

balky12 were you from Romford way ?

Also lol @ this thread took the "junk food" direction i thought i was in the wrong one for a while.

Yes why?

 

[regulus]

Funny reading this thread. I've been trying to recruit a labourer since last November. The role comes with a brand new (as in brand new) van for work AND personal use. Company mobile phone and a bonus scheme and what works out as 15 bucks an hour Sterling. You think I can find someone? Hahahaha.

I ended up paying Hays Recruitment 5k to fill the role.

I'm now looking for a full time H&S person. No formal H&S qualifications needed. I'll pay to put you through all the relevant courses. No interest ...

I'm seeing Hays again today.

 

[balky12]

Funny reading this thread. I've been trying to recruit a labourer since last November. The role comes with a brand new (as in brand new) van for work AND personal use. Company mobile phone and a bonus scheme and what works out as 15 bucks an hour Sterling. You think I can find someone? Hahahaha.

I ended up paying Hays Recruitment 5k to fill the role.

I'm now looking for a full time H&S person. No formal H&S qualifications needed. I'll pay to put you through all the relevant courses. No interest ...

I'm seeing Hays again today.

Guessing this is in NZ? I am familiar with hays recruitment that's all.

If this was in London I would know someone who would tear your arm off for that.

 

[gothic_hobbit]

Why not hire the people to do the job? If a person is say doing 30+ hours a week picking litter up should they not be paid minimum wage for it? to me just seems like a way to get cheap labor and sadly see it getting abused

This.

 

[Above&Beyond]

No, it really doesn't. Qualifications mean not a lot to retailers (unless you're applying for management, marketing, etc.). Your character does. If you're a nob, you'll put customers off. If you're well mannered and presentable, they'll like you.

"Loyalty" means nothing to them, nor does expected longevity.

Even management come and go on a whim. They are constantly transferring around from store to store for various reasons.

It really does defy logic. A student that wants the job over 2-4 years will be a more enticing prospect than a graduate who is probably desperate, will more than likely leave relatively quickly and get bored very easily.

 

[arknor]

Why not hire the people to do the job? If a person is say doing 30+ hours a week picking litter up should they not be paid minimum wage for it? to me just seems like a way to get cheap labor and sadly see it getting abused

• Victorian levels of inequality
• Paupers given uniforms and made to work

Daves dream almost here just gotta get some workhouses or re-purpose our prisons

 

[Maeve]

Excellent idea. Obviously, they can be put to good use rather then just collecting benefits interminally.

The need to deal with this deficit has resulted in a lot of new measures which really, should have been in place all along. We might not be in such a mess now if they had been.

 

[arknor]

non of which seemed aimed at the global corporations or wealthy elites

 

[lemonade]

The motto of all British govts is "Be seen to be doing stuff" that's it don't worry if you achieve anything but be seen to be doing stuff.

The problem isn't entirely with the govts, they are just doing what will appease the public, because the public have this perception fueled by your tabloid trash like the sun and daily mail, that everyone on benefits is a scrounger and its a massive drain on everyone, therefore everyone demands the govt do something about it and make them pay (including severely disabled and ill people!), cue the govt just doing something to appease the people.

There's no real actual solution, if people demanded the solution which is to create more jobs and provide more opportunities for the young, then perhaps they would feel pressured to do that, instead they will just use idiotic policies to appease the voters and moaners.

 

[Goberpiles316]

I love how everyone thinks litter picking is the easy route for these people, it used to be the army, a lot of work goes into planning litter picking, working at heights, working on high speed roads, dealing with needles and and different types of road surface. I have worked in the game for near 14 years now, and can tell you now we don't want free labor, no job exists for a "litter picker" its someone who can use specialist equipment, drive and know how to deal with different types of waste, Council's and companies invest in these people to do the job. We have tried in the past using people from open prisons, youth offenders etc its a complete waste of time.

 

[marc2003]

why pick on just 18-21 year olds? they already get less benefit than people over 25 yet the cost of living doesn't care how old you are.

as for getting out and doing something, i don't have a problem with that. but don't make them do something that will take away jobs from people who are currently employed to do it.

edit: i'm sure i'm repeating stuff that has already been said but meh...

 

[arknor]

I love how everyone thinks litter picking is the easy route for these people, it used to be the army, a lot of work goes into planning litter picking, working at heights, working on high speed roads, dealing with needles and and different types of road surface. I have worked in the game for near 14 years now, and can tell you now we don't want free labor, no job exists for a "litter picker" its someone who can use specialist equipment, drive and know how to deal with different types of waste, Council's and companies invest in these people to do the job. We have tried in the past using people from open prisons, youth offenders etc its a complete waste of time.

is this serious or satirical?

 

[Goberpiles316]

is this serious or satirical?

Serious do you think someone just rolls up on a building site nowadays? If something happens the company is in big big trouble The Health and Safety Executive is all over the waste industry now due to all the accidents http://www.hse.gov.uk/waste/index.htm

 

[estebanrey]

is this serious or satirical?

As someone who also works in the waste industry I can ensure you he is being serious. You can't just throw anyone out there to collect litter. What happens when they pick up a dirty needle and get an STD? They sue their employer.

If you think litter pickers can just turn up and be trained to do the job properly in 10 minutes I'd suggest you ask your local council if you can shadow a street operative for a day and you'll see it's not that easy.

 

[V F]

The motto of all British govts is "Seen to be doing something" that's it don't worry if you achieve anything but be seen to be doing stuff.

Isn't that the correct one? You are right though. Get the public fighting each other to take away the heat and stick away from the establishment.

 

[arknor]

As someone who also works in the waste industry I can ensure you he is being serious. You can't just throw anyone out there to collect litter. What happens when they pick up a dirty needle and get an STD? They sue their employer.

If you think litter pickers can just turn up and be trained to do the job properly in 10 minutes I'd suggest you ask your local council if you can shadow a street operative for a day and you'll see it's not that easy.

Never knew using a litter picker was serious business, no wonder so many are unemployed


As a nation H&S has made us pathetic

 

[lemonade]

Funny reading this thread. I've been trying to recruit a labourer since last November. The role comes with a brand new (as in brand new) van for work AND personal use. Company mobile phone and a bonus scheme and what works out as 15 bucks an hour Sterling. You think I can find someone? Hahahaha.

I ended up paying Hays Recruitment 5k to fill the role.

I'm now looking for a full time H&S person. No formal H&S qualifications needed. I'll pay to put you through all the relevant courses. No interest ...

I'm seeing Hays again today.

You know what this gives me a brainwave.

How about we ship the unemployed yoofs to New Zealand and possibly Australia too, they have vacancies that aren't being filled and we have millions looking for vacancies, win win?