US police thread

[SixTwoSix]

I saw an article a few weeks back whereby a lot of regular US citizens, of all backgrounds, are no longer renewing their concealed carry licenses. There is a real fear that if stopped by police, they do a check and it will put the police on edge expecting a weapon in the vehicle and potentially end badly.

This seems counter intuitive to me in that most criminals illegally carrying guns aren't likely to have a CCL.

 

[Zatoichi.uK]

5 mins in and lo and behold there was more to it. There always is.

Didn't stop for 1.5 miles
Won't comply with simple demands
Won't put hands out of window even with the cops gun drawn.

The initial version I thought seemed way over the top and appeared to be a guy being pepper sprayed for no apparent reason. Context is key as usual. Comply with the demands of cops and you do not get shot, with very few exceptions.

 

[dowie]

When potentially every police encounter involves someone who could be armed............country has made its bed with guns and is now reaping the rewards.

True but this officer went too far with the mace/pepper spray - he was way too hot-headed etc..

The driver didn't stop immediately but went slowly to a well-lit petrol station which is fair enough - but this seemed to annoy the officers who believed he didn't have plates displayed (he had some temp plates) and that plus the tinted windows lead them to treat it as a high-risk stop.

The driver didn't help himself when he decided to play dumb with them both initially and later in the incident. There was an element of the stupid contradictory orders/Simon says type game we saw with the police shooting in the hotel a while ago - this time they wanted him to simultaneously keep both hands out of the window but also open the door and exit the vehicle.

The main cop was way too angry, out of control with the pepper spray and that combined with the publicity has lead to him being sacked.

The army officer upon encountering the angry cops has likely milked it a bit, he knew full well what he was supposed to do during a police stop but he also knows that with body cameras and CCTV in the petrol station then as a black guy confronted with some idiot, out of control cops then playing dumb could pay off for him too.

 

[JohnG7]

 

[deuse]

What execution remark? The "ride the lightening" comment? He had a tazer in his hand and was going to use it on the non-compliant driver. To twist that as if he was going to be executed is absurd.


Here's one, shooting occurs at 45 seconds:

Bullet stopped by her vest, plus bullet or shrapnel damage to both hands.

What a Brave officer and lady.

Attempt to Commit Murder (30-28-1 Second Degree Felony)
Aggravated Battery Upon Peace Officer (30-22-25 Third Degree Felony)
Shooting from a Motor Vehicle (30-3-8 Second Degree Felony)
Resisting, Evading or Obstructing an Officer (30-22-1 Misdemeanor)

And the officer is a commissioned as a Federal Task Force Officer.
So add a attempted murder of a federal officer to the list.

 

[iamtheoneneo]

What execution remark? The "ride the lightening" comment? He had a tazer in his hand and was going to use it on the non-compliant driver. To twist that as if he was going to be executed is absurd.

You do understand that the term specifically links to execution by electric chair right?

 

[Roar87]

What a Brave officer and lady.

Attempt to Commit Murder (30-28-1 Second Degree Felony)
Aggravated Battery Upon Peace Officer (30-22-25 Third Degree Felony)
Shooting from a Motor Vehicle (30-3-8 Second Degree Felony)
Resisting, Evading or Obstructing an Officer (30-22-1 Misdemeanor)

And the officer is a commissioned as a Federal Task Force Officer.
So add a attempted murder of a federal officer to the list.

People just do not understand how dangerous being a Cop in America is, just do what they tell you and argue about it later at the station.

 

[Hotwired]

The army officer upon encountering the angry cops has likely milked it a bit, he knew full well what he was supposed to do during a police stop but he also knows that with body cameras and CCTV in the petrol station then as a black guy confronted with some idiot, out of control cops then playing dumb could pay off for him too.

Ah yes, the moment they pulled up and drew their pistols he knew he had them right where he wanted them

 

[dowie]

Ah yes, the moment they pulled up and drew their pistols he knew he had them right where he wanted them

Well generally if police have drawn guns and are shouting at you to get out of a car it is a good idea to do it. You can argue the toss over whether they were right to stop you etc.. afterwards.

 

[dowie]

Just quoting more posts so people know about this thread:

So your cherry picking because you probably watch too much fox news. Funny how actual statistics completely invalidate your claims.

As you need it pointing out:

Leftists who use violence = Antifa, BLM etc (summer 2020 riots)

Leftists who use corruption = Democrats

Leftists who use racism = Historically vis slavery, Jim crow are the democrats and not with critical race theory, creating more racism.

Its all about race.... the white race with you isn't it.

 

[fez]

Its just another scenario where there is no right answer and its completely situational. Its another situation where some people are so biased that they cannot possibly contemplate having a nuanced view that doesn't sit and one end of the spectrum or the other.

The police in the US have way too much power and are largely unaccountable for their actions historically. They are very protective of their own no matter how awful their actions. That seems to be changing slowly.

The police also have an impossible job where they could be facing someone who is armed and wants to get away from them at all costs whenever they stop someone. Police in the UK probably aren't wondering if the person they have stopped for an illegal tint is going to try and murder them.

The only way America sorts this mess out is to get rid of their guns. There is no other way. If you take the power away from the police then they will down tools as soon as that powerlessness costs a few officers their lives. If you let it continue as it has been, it will keep attracting the wrong sort of cops and the police will face widespread distrust.

If I am ever in america and a cop tells me to do something however, I will damn well do it. I don't care if he is being the biggest **** in the world. I am not getting shot over my pride.

 

[Hotwired]

Well generally if police have drawn guns and are shouting at you to get out of a car it is a good idea to do it. You can argue the toss over whether they were right to stop you etc.. afterwards.

As you noted they alternated orders of keeping hands out of the car and get out of the car. While pointing guns at him. Are you really thinking about a fat compo payout in that moment.

Don't think anyone's linked the whole(?) video, I think this is the whole thing:

 

[MattTheTall77]

this is one example I remember, made me jump when I first watched it, no time to react.

Another unexpected one.

 

[Minstadave]

Binged ASP a lot over recent weeks. The guy is a joker. "Photonic barrier" also known as glass. "Emotional fitness" and "transitional spaces" are top favourites.

 

[Longbow]

What a Brave officer and lady.

Attempt to Commit Murder (30-28-1 Second Degree Felony)
Aggravated Battery Upon Peace Officer (30-22-25 Third Degree Felony)
Shooting from a Motor Vehicle (30-3-8 Second Degree Felony)
Resisting, Evading or Obstructing an Officer (30-22-1 Misdemeanor)

And the officer is a commissioned as a Federal Task Force Officer.
So add a attempted murder of a federal officer to the list.

The crazy thing is, he was only getting pulled over for tailgating (his parents vehicle), and probably wouldn't have even got a ticket. He had no prior convictions. Now he will spend decades in prison, and as she was part of a federal task force, it will be federal prison where they don't parole you early, he'll have to do the whole sentence.

You do understand that the term specifically links to execution by electric chair right?

It's also used to describe being tazed.

 

[dowie]

As you noted they alternated orders of keeping hands out of the car and get out of the car. While pointing guns at him. Are you really thinking about a fat compo payout in that moment.

No not in that moment, in general though he was uncooperative and he's not some random idiot, he's an Army officer who knows full well how to comply etc.. Have you ever been on a US military base for example? They have security forces that behave like cops and will pull people over for speeding, everyone gets briefed about them and how to behave etc... that you don't immediately exit the vehicle unless asked and if they do ask then you exit and follow instructions etc.. He's not some random naive person, he knows what he should do and he was actively playing a bit dumb at times there. That isn't to excuse the actions of the hot-headed officer but just that it is pretty self-evident that he's non-compliant.

 

[Bigpig]

Anyone got crime numbers from Blue states since defund the police campaign started?

Wouldn't be surprised if they sky rocketed.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

It's also used to describe being tazed.

Its a quote from the movie "The Green Mile" about being electrocuted.

 

[deuse]

The crazy thing is, he was only getting pulled over for tailgating (his parents vehicle), and probably wouldn't have even got a ticket. He had no prior convictions. Now he will spend decades in prison, and as she was part of a federal task force, it will be federal prison where they don't parole you early, he'll have to do the whole sentence.


It's also used to describe being tazed.

It was a crazy thing to do.

 

[Longbow]

Its a quote from the movie "The Green Mile" about being electrocuted.

Which doesn't refute what I said.

Lightening is an electrical charge. The tazer uses an electrical charge. The electric chair uses an electrical charge. Both have different purposes, but they are all linked. The term "ride the lightening" is a term that has been used for both. It wouldn't surprise me if electricians also used the term.