Vettel leaving Ferrari

Nasher · 12 Sep 2020 at 20:25

413x said:
Can't fathom why they want vettel

Vettel was OK at his prime. But I don't think he was great. Maybe good.
I hope this bites RP. Its a crazy decision.

Wish someone would take albons seat.
Or is max just that good? If you out gasley back in would it jut repeat?

I can't see merc replacing Bottas. It works. It's terrible for the sport. But great for Mercedes. Bottas knows his place and doesn't cause a fuss

I don't think Vettel has ever been that great under pressure, it seems to be a huge weakness. When someone is right on his tail he makes mistakes. It's anxiety probably.

He was only good when he managed to get to the front and open a huge gap

this_is_gav · 12 Sep 2020 at 20:34

Nasher said:
I don't think Vettel has ever been that great under pressure, it seems to be a huge weakness. When someone is right on his tail he makes mistakes. It's anxiety probably.

Do you just have Montreal 2011 going around and around in your head?

No one is going to pretend he's ever been great wheel to wheel, but to say he makes mistakes anytime someone is behind him is wildly incorrect.

Nasher · 12 Sep 2020 at 20:39

this_is_gav said:
Do you just have Montreal 2011 going around and around in your head?

No one is going to pretend he's ever been great wheel to wheel, but to say he makes mistakes anytime someone is behind him is wildly incorrect.

There has been many more incidents than that.

this_is_gav · 12 Sep 2020 at 20:52

Nasher said:
There has been many more incidents than that.

I can offer Istanbul in 2010 where the McLarens were in the same straight and slower catching at the time I seem to recall?

I'm sure there are others, but none immediately spring to mind.

Nasher · 12 Sep 2020 at 20:53

He has spun out or hit people so many times while in the middle of the pack :/

this_is_gav · 12 Sep 2020 at 20:54

Nasher said:
He has spun out so many times while in the middle of the pack :/

But not when someone was "right on his tail" as such, more when he was making a move on someone else.

ezekial · 14 Sep 2020 at 09:57

Nasher said:
I don't think Vettel has ever been that great under pressure, it seems to be a huge weakness. When someone is right on his tail he makes mistakes. It's anxiety probably.

He was only good when he managed to get to the front and open a huge gap

Totally agree.

Jono8 · 14 Sep 2020 at 15:01

Vettel is fast. But thats about it. That was all that was needed in that red bull at the time.

Unfortunately any sort of pressure or any sort of real competition has shown Vettel up as an actual racing driver(in comparison to the real greats of the sport) .

mmj_uk · 14 Sep 2020 at 15:52

Even his reputation for speed (and not just being in the right place at the right time with teams pulling in his direction) gets brought into question though due to the anomalies in his career where he has been put to shame by both Ricciardo over a full season and now this season Leclerc is leaving him for dead in outright pace. Perhaps he just has a lousy attitude and isn't willing to really try if he isn't in with a chance of winning but the greats (and professionals) don't do that, I think Hamilton came on leaps and bounds during the time when he was up against it at McLaren and he still put in shifts. Imagine Schumacher having the odd seasons at the height of success where he's made to look like a second rate driver by Irvine or Barrichello.