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When are you going fully electric?

Discussion in 'Motors' started by Ricochet J, 23 Aug 2018.

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  1. b0rn2sk8

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    The main issue with battery packs on a patrol vehicle is that they also need to be charged (down time).

    The issue with a generator attached to the engine is that it’s slow and isn’t a long term solution because I’d expect patrol vehicles to move to EV eventually and at least by 2040. Some kind of fuel cell system could work and be refillable quickly but also expensive.

    It will be far quicker for the patrol vehicle to just tow the car to the nearest 7kw or DC fast charger. Unless they run out literally in the middle of nowhere they’ll be within a few miles of another charger even today. I’d imagine most will run out either at a charger that is broken or very close to a charger/home and they just didn’t make it.


    Of those 3000 EV ‘breakdowns’ I’d put money most were due to punctures. None of them have spare tires these days.
     
  2. jpaul

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    From the pic, the rac charger box looks the size of a trunk, so maybe 60-70KG => 10KWhrs of charge or maybe 100Km of range they could add to typical EV, or 15miles for 5 or 6 cars; .... cost £2-3K based on powerwall cost ?
    the RAC man can visit the charger himself when/if it needs refilling.
     
  3. Journey

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    I'm pretty sure that the solution will be based on the RAC/AA etc. using BEV's (trucks/vans) that have a larger capacity battery with a DC-DC charger on-board in the medium/long term anyhow.

    They could easily develop packs specifically for recovery vehicles that allows fast discharging >30kWh, to allow a CCS (or whatever connector) to provide 15 minutes of charge, given that most of the vehicles are huge inefficient transit style vans, they'll have plenty of room to facilitate this. I mean they could have a 200kWh+ pack installed, it's not like it will be hard for them to find a charger to hook up to, and I wouldn't be surprised if they installed dedicated RAC/AA chargers at places to allow them to have more points to use when they are waiting for the next call.

    I also don't see why the government/highways can't/won't install emergency chargers on A-roads in lay-bys that recovery companies can tow to and allow them to charge there as well, activated by the recovery company with a card, that lasts 30mins to 1 hours for example.
     
  4. Ant84

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    I go fully electric tomorrow. Picking up a 69 plate Ioniq 38kWh.

    Pics to follow when I get it home if anyone’s interested.
     
  5. McPhee

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    Definitely interested. Won't be getting mine until next year, so it will be good to know how you get on.
     
  6. Amp34

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    That GTI is slow! I’d assume that was more a standard Golf acceleration. I get 4.5s 50-70mph in my pickup.
     
  7. Jonnycoupe

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    Maybe some weird ingear test they think is relevant?
     
  8. jpaul

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    yes - ok I should have read the smallprint, later, in the thread I linked
    yes ... how was the insurance cost too ? given, someM3 thread comments.
     
  9. pcfarrar

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    I just paid £500 to pre-order the Mini Electric. I would have preferred a model with longer range but I don't think it will be an issue for me.
     
  10. daveski

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    I registered interest in the Mini and am going to Soper Lincoln next weekend to check it out.
     
  11. vanpeebles

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    Tell them they pinched the logo off the Sinclair C5 graphics. :D
     
  12. Donnie Fisher

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    I'd be interested to see how the mini is. We have a cooper at the moment and like it.

    The e mini range at 120 miles seems a little less than what I'd wish for.

    On a side note, if a stated range is for example 100, how much would that be reduced by having the lights and heater and wipers on? In the west of Scotland, that's very common.
     
  13. Nasher

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    Like with mpg the official range figure is usually very optimistic. With the heaters etc on probably more like 80 miles in the real world. Less unless you are charging it to 100% all the time.
     
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  14. Jonnycoupe

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    Love the idea heaters use over 10kW...
     
  15. Nasher

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    Mostly down to wildly over-estimated range by the manufacturer.
     
  16. Shikkaka

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    I'll probably have a look when Ford release a 'Fast Ford' electric car. Focus STe or whatever they'll call it.
     
  17. Mercenary Keyboard Warrior

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    The sites I have seen allow you to put in a few more details as to your likely range. Teslas own site allowed this speed, outside temp, inside temp etc
    Until you start getting to really cold temps it makes less diff than you would think.

    Sites like this are starting to crop up. Very useful.
    Things like 95% of capacity at 45000 miles. Model 3 they say should be 25% more as the cycles will be less.

    https://teslike.com/range/
     
  18. b0rn2sk8

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    Wet roads reduce range more than heaters etc. No different to an ICE
     
  19. Simon

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    Heating on a ice is effectively using waste energy from the coolant that would otherwise go to air via the radiator.

    An EV needs to actively use energy to power the heater.

    Completely different ! And wet roads don’t take away 3hp (2kw)
     
  20. Jonnycoupe

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    nah WLTP is a standard regulation test that figures are reported on. It’s not what you are suggesting is it.

    unless Liverpool chose to win 5-2 last night? I thought at the end of the game he score is simply reported out as the result of 90 minutes of game time?