I'v no idea about shuttles, but i want a seperate SFF to use as a training machine. I may end up putting windows 2003 server on it. I'm not too fussed about an amasing spec, but i want to fit a sata disks as well as 2gb of ram. I've got a socket 478 p4 which i could use and i'm not bothered about amasing graphics. any ideas?